Maybe I'm just getting old.

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Chris Santucci

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I deliberately avoid putting my more "serious" work on YouTube in part because of how it's become a cesspool of frustrated anonymous posters and garbage video.

Vimeo to me, always seemed a little more "high brow" what with their lack of massive live action banner ads and more "artful" and "serious" work.

Then a few days ago, I click on my toolbar bookmark for Vimeo and I see in "My Feed" a video that features an adult man waving his fully erect genitalia at the camera. I'm not posting it on here, but suffice to say - it's a little gnarly in my opinion (search: "humorous_angle_vimeo" if you must - & separate the words of course).

And even more gnarly is the thought that I could send a client or a potential client to "Vimeo" to see "more of my work," and they might happen across just such a video clip. Ouch.

Vimeo, apparently is completely ok with this since it's merely "non-sexual nudity."

Am I crazy or old or uptight or... right in feeling that this is inappropriate?
 
Both youtube and vimeo allow full nudity (non sexual). I'm not sure how an erect penis gets classified as non-sexual though.
 
Chris Santucci said:
And even more gnarly is the thought that I could send a client or a potential client to "Vimeo" to see "more of my work," and they might happen across just such a video clip.
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They would have to be browsing around Vimeo in order to find such a video, not just on your channel. And if they happened to, and were so prudish that you lost work because of something unrelated to you in any respect (save for being hosted on the same site), then perhaps it's a good loss? Who knows what else you might say or do that a client like that might find "moral offense" at.

I guess the $5 per video on Brightcove was a bit too rich for you?
 
Gary Huff said:
They would have to be browsing around Vimeo in order to find such a video, not just on your channel.
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Nope. Like I said, I went to vimeo.com and there it was. That was all I did.


Gary Huff said:
And if they happened to, and were so prudish that you lost work because of something unrelated to you in any respect (save for being hosted on the same site), then perhaps it's a good loss?
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I get what you're saying but if I mention to say - someone at a law firm, that "I have more work on Vimeo," and they go to vimeo.com and happen to see THAT, regardless of whether it's unrelated to me, it IS related to some extent, isn't it? And I'd rather avoid weeding out clients based on their social mores just now.


Gary Huff said:
I guess the $5 per video on Brightcove was a bit too rich for you?
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Yeah, actually. And viddler is a bit too costly also. But I did find a better alternative that has prices comparable to vimeo.
 
ErikTande said:
Both youtube and vimeo allow full nudity (non sexual). I'm not sure how an erect penis gets classified as non-sexual though.
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Yeah, that's what they (at Vimeo) keep telling me - that "non-sexual nudity" is allowed, but obviously this is something else. I flagged it, I complained, I posted in the Help forum and yet - it's still there.
 
What if someone finds nudity at all to be morally reprehensible? A video that, to you, might be incredibly artistic and beautiful, but it has some element of nudity to it. Do you really want to start policing that?

Lots of people decry the fact that Americans are all against nudity and pro-violence, and yet here is a prime example. We're not talking about a video on Vimeo showing someone getting shot in the head, beaten up, or decapitated, though I'm sure you could find plenty of violence on Vimeo. However, what's got you upset is a penis.
 
In a nod to Justice Potter Stewart, my opnion is...

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it,"
 
I don't think it's because your just getting old.

Nudity is acceptable in many areas including medical and art areas such as sclutping.

However I believe the line gets drawn when a male parts is shown with a full erection. That is obviously sexual in nature. As far as I know, it's illegal for videos but maybe I'm getting too old too. My understanding was it was illegal in films anyways without a XXX rating.

I think that that kind of thing specifically on vimeo or youtube is unacceptable because of the age group that has access to these sites. We have to draw a line somewhere. There's enough adult sites out there that it would be nice to know that there are some family safe sites they can browse.
 
Gary Huff said:
What if someone finds nudity at all to be morally reprehensible? A video that, to you, might be incredibly artistic and beautiful, but it has some element of nudity to it. Do you really want to start policing that?
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THIS is not just "nudity." Not by a longshot. I think I have just discovered the need to utilize a more "sanitary" platform for my work online, that's all.


Gary Huff said:
Lots of people decry the fact that Americans are all against nudity and pro-violence, and yet here is a prime example. We're not talking about a video on Vimeo showing someone getting shot in the head, beaten up, or decapitated, though I'm sure you could find plenty of violence on Vimeo. However, what's got you upset is a penis.
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This is not about people making judgements about nudity. It's about what's appropriate and this to me is inappropriate. I'd have the same reaction if I saw a similar video with a female in it, or someone getting shot in the head, or a guy lighting his farts on fire - in "My Feed" on vimeo. It just doesn't belong there in my opinion. And it's not about ME being offended. I'm just being sensitive to the perception of someone who maybe I don't know, seeing that stuff in a "community" that I am part of.

There are plenty of places for that stuff, and I just don't believe a "community" of artists and working professionals should be demeaned by that crap. It's ludicrous to even debate it.
 
Chris Santucci said:
Nope. Like I said, I went to vimeo.com and there it was. That was all I did.
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The things that pop up (pun intended) in your Vimeo news feed have two basic categories: Vimeo Staff Picks, and videos and "likes" from people you follow. I'd go back and check to see where lies the connection... I'll be that someone you follow either "liked" it or posted it. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything NSFW like that from Vimeo Staff Picks, so if you send a client there to see your work, the non-logged-in default is Staff Picks and they won't see anything like that on the front page.
 
Gord.T said:
However I believe the line gets drawn when a male parts is shown with a full erection. That is obviously sexual in nature. As far as I know, it's illegal for videos but maybe I'm getting too old too. My understanding was it was illegal in films anyways without a XXX rating.
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Exactly. The female equivalent would be just as inappropriate - probably more so. It's one thing to have a rating on a film so you know what to expect and you can make an informed judgement about exposing either yourself or your kids to it, but this, this is ALL wrong. And all they keep telling me (at vimeo) is "it's a grey area" and that it's allowed.

Grey area? Seriously?
 
Alex H. said:
The things that pop up (pun intended) in your Vimeo news feed have two basic categories: Vimeo Staff Picks, and videos and "likes" from people you follow. I'd go back and check to see where lies the connection... I'll be that someone you follow either "liked" it or posted it. I'm not sure I've ever seen anything NSFW like that from Vimeo Staff Picks, so if you send a client there to see your work, the non-logged-in default is Staff Picks and they won't see anything like that on the front page.
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I already checked that and since I only follow 4 people, it was pretty easy to rule that out. Regardless - it really weakens the integrity of vimeo as an artistic "community" to my mind.
 
Gord.T said:
There's enough adult sites out there that it would be nice to know that there are some family safe sites they can browse.
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The only thing "unsafe" though is embarrassing questions some parent will have to deal with. And frankly, I don't care about that.
 
Does Vimeo have a way to turn that my feeds off? Maybe they can add it as a pro feature, for when you are showcasing your work?
 
Gary Huff said:
The only thing "unsafe" though is embarrassing questions some parent will have to deal with. And frankly, I don't care about that.
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If it's accidental, sure. I think what I'm getting at is intent which I think you'll agree is entirely different. I think that might be the case with the OP's post although I haven't seen the video, I can say I don't agree with it being posted on vimeo or youtube.
 
Gord.T said:
I think that might be the case with the OP's post although I haven't seen the video, I can say I don't agree with it being posted on vimeo or youtube.
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And I think that pretty much sums it up. People who haven't seen for themselves judging what is or is not appropriate for others.
 
Perhaps rather than referring them to your vimeo channel you could embed your videos in a webpage of your own and direct them to that? That way you can control the content of your site.
 
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