C300: Matching 7d mark ii to c300 mark ii?

Patryk_Rebisz

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Anyway to match those two cameras. I'm being asked to film with 2 cameras and the production can't afford 2x c300 mark ii. If i can't find the matching settings then i might be forced to film with 7d's which i would prefer not to.

Any suggestions?
 
i'd see if you can get a different bcam, like a XC10 or something.
i shoot with a 6D and a c100mkii and the 6D just looks and grades like mush.
 
I have a different related question. Is C300 mkii same look as C300 mki? I have unsual situation that I need shoot 3 cameras. But finding another 2 cameras like mine is hard. So think I have to shoot different camera. Thought of canon but didn't like C300 mki look after I rent one for test. Is C300 mii and C200 same look too?
 
It is easier to match the Cinema series to the DSLRs rather than vice versa. However, with the new colour wheels and curves in FCPX, I find it is much better than before. A trained colourist can surely match. If I were shooting then I would prefer 5DIV clog as B camera if forced to use DSLRs.

XC15 and C300 II will match well and you get more details in the files.

If 7D, then would prefer only closeups with the 7D
 
7D with C300 II: use Filmic Skin or make your own custom profile for the 7D (don't recommend any log emulations- not good for skin tones). Or set the 7D to neutral, lower contrast enough to prevent blacks clipping (you can also do this with a custom picture profile using a curve), use a color chart (big time saver in post) and set the C300 II to Canon Log (with Rec709 and try Neutral or Original Cinema EOS color matrix).

For C300 II with C300 I: set both the CLog, perhaps experiment with color matrix, shoot color charts. http://www.danielhaggett.com/blog/267-matching-canon-c300-with-c300mkii

Also consider borrowing/renting a 5D2 or 5D3 shooting ML RAW. I was able to quickly match the Sony A7S II to the C300 II- that's another low cost option perhaps. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?341753-A7S-II-matched-to-C300-II
 
SJX said:
I have a different related question. Is C300 mkii same look as C300 mki? I have unsual situation that I need shoot 3 cameras. But finding another 2 cameras like mine is hard. So think I have to shoot different camera. Thought of canon but didn't like C300 mki look after I rent one for test. Is C300 mii and C200 same look too?
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Anything about this?
 
SJX said:
Anything about this?
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C200
C300 MKI
C300 MKII

All look pretty different to me. None look alike very much IMHO. I've done plenty of shoots with all three and the person doing the grading and CC always has a hard time and they never really match, we get them in the neighborhood.
 
puredrifting said:
C200
C300 MKI
C300 MKII

All look pretty different to me. None look alike very much IMHO. I've done plenty of shoots with all three and the person doing the grading and CC always has a hard time and they never really match, we get them in the neighborhood.
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If you spend some time finding the most accurate setting for each camera, then matching them in post to ballpark levels, without secondaries or masking isn't very difficult:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYmrhWl8wmM

1DX II, A7S II, C300 II (not shown in that order- most can't tell which is which) matched only with quick adjustments - no secondaries (which would be needed to get them closer). The Sony of course was the most different, and if I was still shooting with the A7S II and needed to quickly match better with Canon cameras, I'd create a LUT in Resolve (or perhaps another 3D LUT tool) and then matching would be pretty quick.
Here's the C300 II matched to the A7S II, about 2 minutes work matching in post. See the video description for all camera settings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ulmgc_a39Q

Shooting color charts/chips can also help with matching in post. Many tutorials available: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=using+color+chart+match+cameras

I do agree with puredrifting that all Canon cameras look different, even with the same settings (e.g. Canon Log preset). And have read reports that two cameras of the exact same model don't match exactly! However, as you can see you can match Sony to Canon with a little post work when using settings that are as close as possible in camera.

Since these videos were created, I've created custom settings for the 1DX II and C300 II which are as accurate as possible (a style of no style: Filmic Skin (for all Canon DSLRs)) and can match the cameras fairly well over HDMI for living streaming. The recorded material is still a bit different, however as long as WB is set fairly correctly, matching in post doesn't take much effort.
 
jcs said:
If you spend some time finding the most accurate setting for each camera, then matching them in post to ballpark levels, without secondaries or masking isn't very difficult:
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It's easier to get a match in a studio situation like this where your light is one color temperature. And you're shooting with a black background so the range of colors you're dealing with is pretty limited. It's often colors in the background that reveal a lack of a good match.
 
The log profiles among all of the cameras really don't match that well. I assume it is because Canon is trying to optimize the sensor and digic chip combination. Certain combinations do seem to work a bit better, for example the Neutral matrix on the C300 II is much closer to the older cameras than the Production Camera matrix. After that, the most noticeable problems occur in the red to green ratios near skin tones, and in the way the red to violet transition is interpreted. Finally, none of the cameras have the same white balance settings so a custom manual white balance is needed rather than just setting all of the cameras to the same kelvin temperature.

It is best to test the cameras a head of time. BTW, I have never had a problem matching the same camera models.
 
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