Magic Lantern Canon 550D VS Panasonic GH2

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DADASALAM

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hi friends i decided to buy GH2 with 14-140 and 20mm f/1.7 . but i dont love panasonic it is really poor in STILLS am i right? huge of noise on high iso .but the video is superb i think no really differences with AF100(Pro Camcorder 5K$).

my question is that can ML FW on the 550D beat gh2 or not?

now i have canon 450D + Tamron 18-250 + Speedlite 430EX II
 
The big issue with the T2i (and all canon DSLRs) is the moire and aliasing. Magic Lantern can't fix those things, however they can be avoided if you plan the shot properly and even then can often be repaired in post.
In other other respects, as far as I can tell, the Canon is superior, especially with ML.
 
i want to know sharpness , image quality , Color during video ?
i have powerdirector can i fix via that?
which editing tools you suggest me perfect for color , grading , and aliasing and moire and something like this?

overally i love canon and nikon but superb video on gh2 push me around
if i know that ML 550D can be close to that or something like that . i close my eyes and go for the 550D and i sell my lense and i buy 15-85 and 50mm f/1.4 or 1/8
but im not sure about 550d?
does anybody have side by side comparsion honestly?
 
I personally think that you should stick to your GH2 if you can hack it, if it's hacked, the video quality is very superb to the Canon + no aliasing to boot! If you don't want to hack it, the quality is about the same as the Canon in terms of video, but even then, the GH2 still has no aliasing even in Interlaced mode if I remember right. Really, Canon has the worst video mode out of any DSLR, and while Canon has the best in-body features as of late, having a bit of ease with sound or whatever is not going to detract from the moire.

This is a great video, they show what the Gh2 looks like in video mode both in 1080P and 1080i mode, and compared to the 60D. It also shows a moire test, which really shows how awful the Canon is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6bzQfZ8OCQ

Hands down, I'd say keep the Gh2, having 18MP of photograph is not going to do you any good any more than having 12MP would, and if you need video, it'd actually make the video quality worse. But to even be any sort of videographer, you need a tool that can do the video job right, in which the Canon can't by many aspects. You really have to weigh out what you truly need in a camera. Canon is not going to take a good photograph at any ISO higher than 800, nor is any camera - if you are unsure, just go to Best Buy and do some tests, they have plenty of 60D's and T2i's, and that ML hack doesn't do anything much beyond adding Zebras and manual audio. Basically, the "work arounds" that you have to employ with a Canon are are ridiculous, people used to say "Oh, just don't shoot a certain fabric", and that's evolved to everything from blur filters, to taking two hours to set up a shot, to plug-ins, to complex conversions, to distance rules, ect ect and it's all a bunch of crap that doesn't really work.

The reality is that as the more experienced professionals who require true filmmaking projects (and don't have the leisure time to set up pretty city shots all day long as their only real work) are discovering at a rapid rate that these Canon's just don't cut it for the type of shooting that narrative films/events/commercials require, and many are switching to the hacked Gh2. But as always just test and see what you like, just make sure that you test right and view files at their full resolution.
 
Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion. However I would like to point out that Snapper123's post history has shown heavy personal biases.

That being said, if you have a GH2 already, I'd say the differences aren't really enough to go one way or the other. Both cameras are used extensively (Canon is a bit more popular due to name recognition), and both have been used to create extremely impressive results. Take a look at the t2i footage section for examples and judge for yourself.

My personal favorite is this guy's work with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WU5M8hC_TvE

But whatever the case, if it were really as bad as Snapper123 makes it sound, it wouldn't have been used in Hollywood productions. Yet it has. Successfully.
 
all professionals believe that there is no place for micro thirds in still photography and expert shots
the gh2 micro third acts like a canon compact like sx 20 or ixus or s95 and something like this

only thing in gh2 that is superb is video . i need my still photography i dont believe panasonic for still where canon and nikon are kings.

but if the canon 550 quality near that i will go for it
canon 550D + canon 15-85 =Superb sharpness stills photography
canon 550d + canon 50 f/1.4= i think good video for indoors

i have question
when you are recording on 550D when you press shutter button does it focus or not?
 
DADASALAM said:
i have question
when you are recording on 550D when you press shutter button does it focus or not?
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Before you start recording, yes. However once you are recording, I don't think so. I honestly haven't tried it because my lenses are mostly manual focus. Plus, the way canon lenses focus changes your exposure temporarily to meter properly, which would not look good on your video. So even if you could, I wouldn't.
 
There is an experimental implementation of continuous AF in magic lantern, but most of the time you will get better results with manual focus or follow focus.
 
I've actually been happy with the stills I've shot on the GH2. Purely amateur level, but with the native Panny lenses - I have the kit, 20 1.7, and the 100-300 - it's surprised me how much I like to shoot stills with the GH2. T2i is still better for stills but you have to have really nice glass. Now video - I love the GH2 and won't look back. If you're the type that has time to set up shots and light them, then the T2i is ok. But just to whip it out at a moments notice I hated the T2i.

I'm happy with the GH2 over the T2i, for my style of shooting and what I'm using it for.
 
Something I just found out on the Panasonic forum - the GH2 does not require hacking to deliver 24P footage. Why is everyone saying it has to be hacked? I've been repeating that the Gh2 needs to be hacked for decades, and it's all because about 100 people said so. And I'm not confusing it with the Gh13, it seems that literally no one on this board, including myself, knows that the Gh2 doesn't require a hack. Now that it doesn't, why the crap would anyone consider a Canon?
 
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overally what do you thinks?

panasonic gh2 + 14 -140 + 20mm f/1.7 OR magic lantern 550D 15-85 + 50 f/1.8?
 
Snapper123 said:
Something I just found out on the Panasonic forum - the GH2 does not require hacking to deliver 24P footage. Why is everyone saying it has to be hacked? I've been repeating that the Gh2 needs to be hacked for decades, and it's all because about 100 people said so. And I'm not confusing it with the Gh13, it seems that literally no one on this board, including myself, knows that the Gh2 doesn't require a hack. Now that it doesn't, why the crap would anyone consider a Canon?
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You have too much free time on your hands and, clearly, limited reading comprehension skills.

Facepalm.
 
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Magic lantern is pretty cool and it really opens up the capabilities of the t2i. From what I have played with all I can say is wow. Magic Lantern actually makes the t2i into one of the best values for HD acquisition available on the market today. It addresses some of the major shortcoming of the camera and fixes them.

The t2i's footage, even with Magic Lantern, still doesn't compare to the video footage coming out of the GH2. It all really comes down to how the camera produces the image. Canon's line skip to scale into 1080p and the Panasonic's actually scale the whole image without dumping lines of resolution. Resulting in a clean image free of aliasing artifacts and moire. I have seen some people upscale the 720p out of the GH2 to 1080 and it looks cleaner and sharper than some of the video coming out of the t2i (you can look it up on vimeo). Processing power plays a big role in this. The GH2 has a three core image processor that can crunch all the data that is thrown at it. The t2i is limited a single processor (like the 60d and probably t3i). It is my belief that the single processor is the reason why the t2i overheats with prolonged use, there is just too much strain put on it. It is also my belief that the image processor is the reason that canon decided to employ line skipping instead of properly scaling the image.

Who knows, my best advice is to get the camera that you feel most comfortable with. I have been very happy with my canons, they are excellent cameras and I have also enjoyed using my panasonics.
 
I think it's best to read the specs of a camera to find out what modes it shoots in. Why rely on fanboys of one brand to inform you about another brand? What the GH2 does not do is 1080p/30, unless you go into variable framerate mode, but then there is no audio. That's the main thing I don't like about the GH2, but I'm still going to buy one. Hacks are coming.
 
i saw a gallery on the net 550D + 15-85 i am really amazed with the still of these combo
i cant forgot my stills . i want stills . stills with this combo is really sharpest i had ever seen . stills that gh2 can not touch it except in dreams . i am not bias on that you can check http://www.flickr.com/photos/wkhchin81/
another samples with 15-85 is available on the net. you judge can the gh2 touch these sharpness and quality except in dreams?
i believe that these combo for outdoor is superb and can have some things to say in video. i believe hollywood and their experts in the film production and using 7d and 2ti

i think im going to stay with canon. my love and my sharpest senses . you can canon i can canon and we can canon
 
DADASALAM said:
this is the video shot that recorded with 15-85 and T2i not magic lantern in the night http://www.vimeo.com/17692546
i think it is good what do you think?
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I still love my t2i, but sadly that's not a good example. Yes, that video is very sharp, but because it was NOT taken in movie mode!
Its a time lapse, in other words a series of stills strewn together into a video sequence.

The stills out of this camera are incredible, we already knew that. Its the h.264 compressed stream of video mode that suffers from line skipping and pattern problems, resulting in an often softer image. Someone recently joked that they could make the t2i a "4k camera really easily"... as long as you are shooting time lapse or stop motion, that is. ;)
 
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