OTHER: Looks like a new FX camera is on the way

scorsesefan

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Alpha rumors is calling it a "mini Venice". Global shutter and a body like the c50. Coming In July. If the price point is right I'm in.

Exclusive: Sony FX5 “mini Venice” camera is coming in July! + one more surprise compact? | sonyalpharumors

https://youtu.be/MHImES3RWSI This is an exclusive report from SAR. While everyone else was convinced that a new FX3 II was on the way, I can now confirm through trusted sources that Sony will announce a new Sony FX5 in July! I’ll dig into why this represents a major shift for Sony’s cinema...
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I thought the next Sony cine camera was going to be an FX8 to compete with the Canon C400. There were rumors from last summer, and even what appeared to be leaked slides from a presentation last fall. Maybe the rolling shutter from its 12k FF sensor wasn't good enough to compete with the URSA Cine 12K for around the same ~$8000 body price, and they shelved it.
 
Trying to guess what model name Sony will use for their next Cinema Line camera, I imagine a table like this:

2010F3
2011
2012F5
2013
2014FS7
2015FS5
2016
2017FS7 II
2018FS5 II
2019FX9
2020FX6
2021FX3
2022FX30
2023
2024Burano
2025FX2
2026FX1FX3 IIFX4FX5FX6 IIFX7FX8FX9 II

For simplicity I am omitting bigger cameras like the F23, F35, F55, F65 and Venice, as well as the early e-mount camcorders FS100 and FS700.

I suppose the FX30 can sit in the "3" column.

While some rumors say it could be called the FX4, keep in mind a lot of buildings in Japan don't have a 4th floor because the word (Shi) sounds like their word for death. Strangely, their word for 9 (Ku) sounds like "pain" but they still made the FX9.

FX5 does seem likely. I really like what I am reading about it possibly being modular too. It reminds me of when RED got upset that the F5/F55 had modular raw recorders. It's nice to be able to strip a camera down or build it up with just the accessories you need for a situation.
 
Thanks for the great chart. I would take the fx30 out of the 3 column because it's not part of the FF family i.e. fx3, fx6, fx9. Not sure where to put it though...
 
scorsesefan said:
Alpha rumors is calling it a "mini Venice". Global shutter and a body like the c50. Coming In July. If the price point is right I'm in.

Exclusive: Sony FX5 “mini Venice” camera is coming in July! + one more surprise compact? | sonyalpharumors

https://youtu.be/MHImES3RWSI This is an exclusive report from SAR. While everyone else was convinced that a new FX3 II was on the way, I can now confirm through trusted sources that Sony will announce a new Sony FX5 in July! I’ll dig into why this represents a major shift for Sony’s cinema...
www.sonyalpharumors.com www.sonyalpharumors.com
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Sounds very interesting. I watched that video. A global shutter would surprise me. That generally costs a stop in light loss. Not even their Venice or Burano runs a global shutter. An extra stop of dynamic range is far more useful on a day-to-day basis. But hey, it's Sony. Who knows what they will do. The only numerical #4 they have used is when it's been in Roman numerals like with the A7iv. The Arabic numbering system of 1.2.3.4 etc has never been used by Sony to the best of my knowledge. Not so with Panasonic, as with heir GH4.

Chris Young
 
cyvideo said:
Sounds very interesting. I watched that video. A global shutter would surprise me. That generally costs a stop in light loss. Not even their Venice or Burano runs a global shutter. An extra stop of dynamic range is far more useful on a day-to-day basis. But hey, it's Sony. Who knows what they will do. The only numerical #4 they have used is when it's been in Roman numerals like with the A7iv. The Arabic numbering system of 1.2.3.4 etc has never been used by Sony to the best of my knowledge. Not so with Panasonic, as with heir GH4.

Chris Young
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Yeah, the global sensor would probably take a DR hit, but not so with the Komodo so I wonder how Red figured that out?
 
Can't wait to see what this camera actually ends up being.

I'm always interested in what Sony is bringing to market, even though Sony is literally just about the only brand I've never shot with.

The Sony A9 III certainly shows Sony is capable of a global shutter camera with recent tech. And, yes, I know Sony has had older global shutter cameras.

So if this camera does indeed end up being global shutter then it will be nice to see Sony dipping their toes back into that market.
 
DustinSchmidt said:
Can't wait to see what this camera actually ends up being.

I'm always interested in what Sony is bringing to market, even though Sony is literally just about the only brand I've never shot with.

The Sony A9 III certainly shows Sony is capable of a global shutter camera with recent tech. And, yes, I know Sony has had older global shutter cameras.

So if this camera does indeed end up being global shutter then it will be nice to see Sony dipping their toes back into that market.
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Dustin, is it an image thing as to why you don't shoot Sony?
 
scorsesefan said:
Dustin, is it an image thing as to why you don't shoot Sony?
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No, honestly it may be hard to articulate why I've never shot Sony.

I know Sony makes great cameras/lenses. But...so does everyone else. I just happened to be working with other cameras, so I've never needed to switch.

The only reason I've shot a bunch of other camera systems is really down to more of a natural progression and growth, and all of the systems I've shot on have gotten the job done. Sony just hasn't been in the mix for whatever reason.

But if I needed to shoot Sony for some specific reason to get clients or get paid, you can be sure I'll do it. Ha.
 
DustinSchmidt said:
No, honestly it may be hard to articulate why I've never shot Sony.

I know Sony makes great cameras/lenses. But...so does everyone else. I just happened to be working with other cameras, so I've never needed to switch.

The only reason I've shot a bunch of other camera systems is really down to more of a natural progression and growth, and all of the systems I've shot on have gotten the job done. Sony just hasn't been in the mix for whatever reason.

But if I needed to shoot Sony for some specific reason to get clients or get paid, you can be sure I'll do it. Ha.
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Got it. A lot of non-Sony users point to image quality. I'm not crazy about the Sony look, but of all the cameras I've used (Canon, Nikon, Panny, Red, Blackmagic, etc.) I find them to be the most ergonomic and reliable for my needs (run and gun docs)... I'm actually hoping that Sony works on their image (highlight rolloff, color) on the new FX camera, but I doubt it.
 
scorsesefan said:
Yeah, the global sensor would probably take a DR hit, but not so with the Komodo so I wonder how Red figured that out?
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I think the Komodo might just have had one stop more if it were a roller. Who know how these companies think. Sony with the F55 felt it worth the hit due to the fact that the camera was aimed at a cinema production workflow where most scenes and sets would be specifically lit for a controlled range. Their A9III doesn't suffer too much from range loss. For stills clickers, covering fast moving sport and very fast action like golf and baseball and cricket ball hits that's where the global shutter shines for lack of image distortion. Ever since we left CCD imaging behind I haven't really been plagued with rolling shutter issues using 1/2", 2/3", 1", s35 or full frame cameras in the work I cover. Mind you the first Sony A7S was a shocker!

Chris Young
 
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