F35: Looking to trade my RED ONE MX for an F35
- Thread starter Mike Krumlauf
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Ebrahim Saadawi
Carbonite Member
What don't you like about the RED One?
Before making this dangerous jump. You should understand what you don't like about your current system and whether the new system has them or not.
The f3 or f35 are not ultimately better or worse than you Red One, benefits both ways, make sure you don't find yourself downgrading to get benefits you don't need/want.
So what don't you like about it?
Before making this dangerous jump. You should understand what you don't like about your current system and whether the new system has them or not.
The f3 or f35 are not ultimately better or worse than you Red One, benefits both ways, make sure you don't find yourself downgrading to get benefits you don't need/want.
So what don't you like about it?
GordanWillis
Carbonite Member
I made a list to help:
here's where the f35 is better:
1. better highlight handling
2. better color
3. more accurate motion
4. 50 FPS at still super 35mm crop - better motion for 50 FPS - not going into 3k crop mode
here's where it's not as good (F35)
1. you need to grade it well - it doesn't have an easy way to make it look nice like the red one has redgamma3 and dragoncolor which is a pretty easy LUT to put on and it looks nice
2. there is grain in the image even at 400 ASA a little more than red one I think -
3. I don't think it resolves as much detail so for VFX it is not as clean as red one mx
Red One MX weaknesses
1. it takes 2 minutes to boot up
2. menu system is weird, but I guess the f35 is a weird menu system too
3. blackshading takes months, if not years
Red One MX strengths
1. skin tones are very easy and natural in daylight
2. but trying to saturate with color it gets weird
3. maybe too sharp and unnatural -
4. you can easily put on nikon lenses and use smaller lenses
it really depends on the person
I own both the f35 and red ones. I guess take them both for a spin and see
also try coloring both
here's a quick test I made messing around. It's a pretty crappy test - the skintones look bad, but hey who cares - use a test chart next time I will
https://vimeo.com/128483083
here's where the f35 is better:
1. better highlight handling
2. better color
3. more accurate motion
4. 50 FPS at still super 35mm crop - better motion for 50 FPS - not going into 3k crop mode
here's where it's not as good (F35)
1. you need to grade it well - it doesn't have an easy way to make it look nice like the red one has redgamma3 and dragoncolor which is a pretty easy LUT to put on and it looks nice
2. there is grain in the image even at 400 ASA a little more than red one I think -
3. I don't think it resolves as much detail so for VFX it is not as clean as red one mx
Red One MX weaknesses
1. it takes 2 minutes to boot up
2. menu system is weird, but I guess the f35 is a weird menu system too
3. blackshading takes months, if not years
Red One MX strengths
1. skin tones are very easy and natural in daylight
2. but trying to saturate with color it gets weird
3. maybe too sharp and unnatural -
4. you can easily put on nikon lenses and use smaller lenses
it really depends on the person
I own both the f35 and red ones. I guess take them both for a spin and see
also try coloring both
here's a quick test I made messing around. It's a pretty crappy test - the skintones look bad, but hey who cares - use a test chart next time I will
https://vimeo.com/128483083
mlysbakken
Well-known member
I'd argue it's quite simple to grade f35 footage, as long as you have the correct luts - first and foremost macgregor's, but there are a plethora of slog luts out there, aimed at all sorts of looks. Also, ACES works wonders!
Mike Krumlauf
Award Winning Filmmaker
Wanted to update you all and let you know my RED ONE MX sold and I purchased a Sony F3 W/ Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle for recording out the SDI. After looking at my research and what I needed, I think the F3 is a better fit for me. I'd really like to own an F35 down the line (as well as a plethora of other cams) but the F3 will do for now. Thanks everyone for your help and info. 
Wanted to update you all and let you know my RED ONE MX sold and I purchased a Sony F3 W/ Blackmagic Hyperdeck Shuttle for recording out the SDI. After looking at my research and what I needed, I think the F3 is a better fit for me. I'd really like to own an F35 down the line (as well as a plethora of other cams) but the F3 will do for now. Thanks everyone for your help and info.
Welcome to the world of new F3 owners in 2015! Nice to see it still getting a fresh breath of air all these years later after 2011, let me know how you find it vs the R1
Viddovation
Veteran
If you guys read the other forum here, he apparently bought an F3 that didn't include the RGB 444 option, but didn't realize that until after the purchase (and apparently, wanted that feature).
Ouch.
Ouch.
Cristian Mihai
Well-known member
He said that his budget was 2000 after i've hit him with this offer :
- camera low hours with Element Technica by Reality Armor cage modified by Sony
- 3 Swit batteries with double charger
- PL adapter
- Nikon adapter
- RGB 444 and Slog option activated
- Gemini 444 recorder with 2x512gb and 1x256gb hard disks plus cables, reader and case
- Element Technica base
- Element Technica top handle and shoulder handle
Package is 4000 euros fixed price.
Photos here : http://olx.ro/oferta/camera-video-so...e-ID4zPrc.html
and recorder here :
http://olx.ro/oferta/recorder-video-...t-ID4zMU2.html
- camera low hours with Element Technica by Reality Armor cage modified by Sony
- 3 Swit batteries with double charger
- PL adapter
- Nikon adapter
- RGB 444 and Slog option activated
- Gemini 444 recorder with 2x512gb and 1x256gb hard disks plus cables, reader and case
- Element Technica base
- Element Technica top handle and shoulder handle
Package is 4000 euros fixed price.
Photos here : http://olx.ro/oferta/camera-video-so...e-ID4zPrc.html
and recorder here :
http://olx.ro/oferta/recorder-video-...t-ID4zMU2.html