Location sound? HOW? Complex setup questions? Experts needed..

The B6 is a lav only... The G2 systems come with a junky lav that you won't want. If you buy a G2 system you'll still need a lav kit for each transmitter that you want to run.

As for the questions about the 744t, I'm sure I could find the answers for you by checking the Sound Devices site... but Wabbit is the resident pro on that piece of gear so maybe he can answer your questions on that.

I have no problem with you getting that unit... if you can I would. That is stellar gear... my issue wasn't with the recommendation, it was with the recommendation to somebody new to audio... not that it wouldn't kick ass and you might love it... so if you really do plan to dump $4K on a piece of gear like that then I hope the guys on here who actually use those things can help you... I don't have anything that nice yet.

I'm sure the 744t will do anything you could want it to do... it'll record in any format and you can monitor any portion of what it's doing... but somebody can better answer that...
 
Dave_Fisk said:
I would recommend that you just hire a competent sound person. .


-Dave
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That makes the most sense anyway just so you can see exactly how good audio is done and what equipment a pro uses to get it.

If nothing else you'll get professional sound and a good lesson at the same time.
 
MattinSTL said:
That makes the most sense anyway just so you can see exactly how good audio is done and what equipment a pro uses to get it.

If nothing else you'll get professional sound and a good lesson at the same time.
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Exactly.

The running joke here is, ask a sound guy how to do one thing, and you'll get 10 answers.

-Dave
 
MattinSTL said:
That makes the most sense anyway just so you can see exactly how good audio is done and what equipment a pro uses to get it.

If nothing else you'll get professional sound and a good lesson at the same time.
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Mattin,

If I get the Journeyman B6 and a sound recorder, say the Marantz 660 - what else will I need to connect them WIRELESSLY? You mentioned the Journeyman came with no transmitter? Do I need the Sennheiser G6 transmitters?
Are there any good trandmitters to supplement the Marantz 660 + Journeman lavs?

What would you recommend as a complete Journeyman B6 + sound recorder set incl. all parts need to make it function (wirelessly)?

All the best,

D.
 
A hardwired Countryman B6 should run off any power that a recorder provides... before you buy one I'd ask a few questions such as this... You should be able to use a hardwired Countryman and recorder only with no extra parts.

If your recorder is small enough then you can do a setup like that as an alternative to wireless... and get way better audio. I'm considering that route myself.
 
Sorry to be daft, but are you saying I should check if I can used it hard-wired only or do you conclude that is possible?

Also say I want to do both. Hardwired when possible but still have the wireless system (there are many instances, say two people walking around in a city talking) where wireless would be nice. In the case I DO want wireless what else do I need ?

A transmitter for each lav I suppose? Which do you recommend for that setup?
 
I have Trams which can be wired or wireless. I'm assuming that Countryman has that option also... For Tram it's a little "barrell power supply" that can plug into an XLR and the lav has a TA5F plug to go in the other end... Countryman should have an option like that.

IF they offer such an option then you could use the same lav attached to a wireless transmitter or change it and plug into your camera or a digital recorder. I don't know if they have that, but again, I'd expect them to.

Also if you want to run a lav with transmitter then you need a transmitter receiver combo for every lav you want to run at one time. If you're just getting into doing sound like this I'd suggest the Sennheiser G2 and you should just get one set to begin with... just so you can find out how they work and what they can and can't do.
 
You need to seperate the lav from the transmitter... Countryman is lav only (mic) and Tram is lav only (mic)... The Sennhieser G2 is the wireless set which is composed of transmitter and receiver.

I have Trams just because it's what everybody used for so many years, but I'm checking out (switching to) Countryman lavs now... not that the Trams don't sound good... maybe I just want a change and I never tell people to do something that I don't do... hence the Countryman suggestion.

Really ANY good lav will sound good... I wouldn't worry about that too much. I also use a Sennheiser MKE-2 lav and those are really high, but I don't even know that it's any better then the Tram... or even Countryman.

If you can afford the Countryman B6 you have the smallest lav in the world and you can hide it in plain site (the camera won't see it) and it still sounds good... that's why I want one.
 
If you have the countryman B6 and want to go wireless do I really need the Sennheiser G2? Is there another cheaper alternative?
 
MattinSTL said:
You need to seperate the lav from the transmitter... Countryman is lav only (mic) and Tram is lav only (mic)... The Sennhieser G2 is the wireless set which is composed of transmitter and receiver.

I have Trams just because it's what everybody used for so many years, but I'm checking out (switching to) Countryman lavs now... not that the Trams don't sound good... maybe I just want a change and I never tell people to do something that I don't do... hence the Countryman suggestion.

Really ANY good lav will sound good... I wouldn't worry about that too much. I also use a Sennheiser MKE-2 lav and those are really high, but I don't even know that it's any better then the Tram... or even Countryman.

If you can afford the Countryman B6 you have the smallest lav in the world and you can hide it in plain site (the camera won't see it) and it still sounds good... that's why I want one.
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What transmitter/receiver set would recommend for Countryman B6? (anything for less than 1100$?)

on the other hand:
What lav would you recommend for the Sennheiser G2 ??


.................. reason I ask is because from reading around on the Internet I am not so sure the G2 and the B6 goes well together..................


(not interested in hardwire stuff; only wireless pls)
 
MattinSTL said:
Also I have to explain a little more about myself from our earlier misunderstanding... one of my pet peeves on the forums is that some professionals don't recognize the level from which the original poster is asking questions. The answers I'd give to a guy who says he just landed a series for the Discovery channel isn't the same answer I'd give to somebody who says they're brand new to audio for video. When somebody defines themselves in the opening post I think people need to pay more attention to those qualifiers before giving advice... and it will benefit not only the original poster, but others who come across the thread and are at that same level.
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Appreciate you not putting any misunderstanding on my recommendations. To ASSUME that someone is automatically looking for a low budget solution is not something I do...even at DVXusers. We have a mix of all budget levels here and to defend my recommendation: this is a poster who starts with a reference to a 416 and 4 wireless and no comment about a "cheap" set-up. Why should I automatically point this guy to a low-budget solution? Amatuer and cheap don't always go hand in hand. I personally know 2 non-videophiles who had a DVX and a XL1 for home movies. Plenty of amatuers have purchased the 722 to just record concerts for home use.

The 744t is not cheap but well worth the moderate price and does make getting good sound much easier for everyone and is certainly a nice middle of the road place to start looking for anyone serious about quality production sound. If a person needs to go cheaper with a Fostex fr-2, Edirol r-4, or even a 660, they should understand the compromises they are making with this purchase. All of us have seen individuals say the AT 835 is a "quality" professional mic and know that this is just naive. People should be confident with the equipment they purchased but also know it's limitations.

Now if I had recommended the Deva V..... :happy:

Best
 
Sorry about that... upon re-reading his original post I see that there was no cue about budget... for some reason I assumed it when he said he was green.

I made the mistake of giving advice based on my current perception of things... and you're quite a few clicks above me with gear like the 744t... If I had that recorder I may have made a quick recommendation for it also.
 
Draccan
You really need to hire a soundperson to find out EVERYTHING about your needs and then come up with a complete game plan. By the type of questions you are asking, you are in way over your head.
The right soundperson will take good care of you and give you a good education at the same time.
At least find someone locally to consult for you to put together the total package to fit your needs and budget.
Good luck.
 
Nah wont hire!
It is too expensive and doesnt suit my idea of shooting when I am travelling..
Anyways want the equipment.. When I do make a full feature I am going to get a film school student to help out.. One that finished the first four modules!

D
 
The beauty of having your own stuff is that you can have ten minor projects before the big one and dozens after...
I think it is quite tedious to hear about renting by now. There are SO many good arguments to get your own stuff.. Especially since I am planning stuff in Texas, Paris and possibly China and Japan..

At the moment I am aiming for this package:
Countryman B6, Marantz 660/670, Sound Device 302, Sennheiser G2
Combined with the Sennheiser MKH416, I cant go all wrong.
And finding a student who completed all the technical parts of sound recording in Film School is a lot cheaper and more fun than some expensive industry professional..

Argghh... It really is annoying you ask questions about what equipment to get and you have to explain for the hundred time it is not practical to rent... ;)
 
since the learning curve is with your money , the film student is something i was consider calling gambling , i hope you have luck on the roulette :-)
sorry to say that , but the production sound is about 20% with what gear you deal and 80% with experience how to deal with situation and create sound environment suitable for your tools , it doesn't matter if you buy or rent as long the opperator know what he is doing ,and likely the guy who cost you nothing cost you big time later
as my granny used to say - we are to poor to buy cheap stuff:-)
 
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