Lens advices for newcommer to DSLR market

Merino

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After watching a bazillion video's on vimeo and reading many threads here on the forum I am comming close to purchasing a GH2 for my recently started video-content creation business (currently working with a HMC150 that I can borrow for free). I come from an education in visual ethnography filmmaking having learned to shoot with various 3CCD camera's (both SD and HD) as their larger bodies with more button controls and audio-inputs are more suited for run-and-gun documentary style in mixed conditions. Having been largely dissappointed however in the quality of the footage comming out of these low bitrate and small sensor camera's, and having looked at the products of the recent HDSLR revolution with large ammounts of envy I can just not handle filming on the HMC150 anymore when something that delivers images as beautifull as the GH2 does is so affordable. I waited a long while for the prosumer market to catch up to the dslr revolution but have not been impressed with the AF100 nor the FS100 (terrible body configuration) in the past. I've considered the HPX250 due to the 10bit AVC-Intra codec but considering the costs of P2 workflow and the fact that it's still only 1/3" camera I figured it's better to wait untill Panasonic can produce an alternative to the FS700 in a better body. Both the HPX250 and Canon's XF305 stretch my budget to the very limit and would not allow for much space for accessories to be purchased aside of the camera itself and are thus not really attractive options.

Though my intend in the long run is to mostly occupy myself with run-and-gun (ethnographic) documentaries I have also found a passion for developing my skills at producing music video's and event-based videos and for this purpose the current crop of regular camera's below the 7500 euro mark just can't seem to compete with the HDSLR's. I figured if I take slightly less than half of my available budget now (around 3500 euro's) and invest this into a GH2 + lenses + accesories I can save the other half of my budget and start creating some income while awaiting the next-generation of camera's to arrive that will suit my documentary needs better at which time the GH2 can become a b-roll camera.

So, hoping the above story still makes sense to everyone here my question, being a total lens n00b (which is also a good reason to buy a GH2 and start learning how to deal with different lenses) is what lenses to get starting out to give me a good range of options. The GH2 is sold here in two configurations, the 14-42mm lens version for 720euro and the 14-140mm lens version for 1100euro and at that point I'm already lost in what choice to make. I have about 2000 (can be stretched to 2500 max) available for the body and lenses and will need the rest of my available budget to cover for batteries, sd-cards, bag, zoomh4n, rig, etc. I've read great story's about the Voigtländer Nokton 25mm f/0.95 but it's price, together with the 14-140mm kit would already put me at the max of my budget. On top of that it seems I need a Vari ND filter of which the best quality products also near the 300euro range. I've seen more lens advices than I can get my head around here in various topics and am sorely lost on what approach to take.

Anyone here can give me some pointers/advice on what would be a good starting point to at least start shooting asap and not overspent on my budget so I have room left to purchase a second non-dslr camera at a later stage?
 
My thoughts... Why spend the money on a camera now if you can use an HMC150 for free?
Once your business starts to make money then make the appropriate investment in gear.
 
I suggest a set of Nikkor/Canon FD primes (24mm f2.8 is good for a "standard" length on the gh2, 50mm f1.4 gets a little telephoto, 35mm f2 a good in-between) with a Nikon to m4/3 adapter and a Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. The Canon FD will probably be a little cheaper since they aren't adaptable to Canon EOS systems and don't have quite the resale value.
If budget allows, a Tokina 11-16 in Nikon mount for easy aperture control with the right adapter. If you can get a 14-42 kit lens cheap with the camera, it's not a bad idea to have for the speed/simplicity of zooms, however it is slower than most lenses.


The good thing about investing in lenses is that they'll stay very close to their value if you sell anything in the next few years. Cameras, not so much.
 
My thoughts... Why spend the money on a camera now if you can use an HMC150 for free?
Once your business starts to make money then make the appropriate investment in gear.
The HMC150 is good for certain projects (documentary shoots for sure) but falls short in my opinion for other projects (festival coverage, landscape filming, fiction films).
On top of that it's not available 24/7 so that's giving problems aswell. This week I had to cover a festival with a XH-A1 (also borrowed for free) but was very unsatisfied with the images after shooting.
 
I suggest a set of Nikkor/Canon FD primes (24mm f2.8 is good for a "standard" length on the gh2, 50mm f1.4 gets a little telephoto, 35mm f2 a good in-between) with a Nikon to m4/3 adapter and a Panasonic 20mm f1.7 lens. The Canon FD will probably be a little cheaper since they aren't adaptable to Canon EOS systems and don't have quite the resale value.
If budget allows, a Tokina 11-16 in Nikon mount for easy aperture control with the right adapter. If you can get a 14-42 kit lens cheap with the camera, it's not a bad idea to have for the speed/simplicity of zooms, however it is slower than most lenses.


The good thing about investing in lenses is that they'll stay very close to their value if you sell anything in the next few years. Cameras, not so much.
Thanks for the advices. It doesn't make it alot easier though as these are all lenses I hadn't considered before.
According to Philip Bloom's blog I'd be best served, at least at the start, getting a good 24mm lens and learning to work with that. Been considering both the cheaper Samyang and the more expensive Voigtlander options but any other advice is good too. The Nikkor 24mm f2.8 seems to be alot more expensive than the Canon FD route aswell.

Regarding the Panasonic 20mm f1.7 what would exactly be the reason you are recommending me to get that lens. It's definitly not cheap and instead of buying the Nikkor 24mm and the Panasonic 20mm I could buy the Voigtlander 25mm f0.95 for the same ammount of money.

And what exactly would be the benefit of getting the 14-140mm over the 14-42 kit lens. I understand the 14-140 has a larger focal range but won't I be trying to cover the higher focal lengths eventually with different lenses. I'm seeing alot of people here who have and use the 14-140 kit lens but with a difference of over 300 euro's between the two different kits it's hard to choose for the more expensive route.

Finally I've looked information on declicked lenses and smooth aperture control and have found this a pretty necessary requirement of any lens I would be buying. For documentary work I would absolutely need smooth aperture control on the lens itself yet I can't find any proper information on which lenses have smooth aperture control and which lenses work in steps. Anyone care to recommend me a good 24/25mm lens with a stepless aperture ring?
 
I got a Lumix 14-45mm and a Voigtlander 25mm. I'm also looking to get a Nikon 50mm 1.8, too. You may want to follow me.
 
The 20mm lens with a vari ND rocks - and its great for interviews as you get in nice and close (with the shotgun mic mounted on top) for a nicely framed face / interview composition

its a really sharp lens near f1.7

some creamy arty examples of my 20mm below

https://vimeo.com/38726097

https://vimeo.com/24813337

The kit lenses can be nice too - 14-45 (but you can ignore that lens if you have the 20mm - i only use this at the 14mm wide end) here along with the 45 - 200 (which i really rate in the field for tele work)

https://vimeo.com/36809056

i recently bought a sigma 30mm f2.8 that is actually very sharp and nice for the money - keep an eye on sigma - they are making some great lenses right now - and they "speak" to your camera

Only time on camera / projects will tell you what lensing will work best for you - and careful consideration of sound will also come in to play

if i had to have 1 lens - its easily the 20mm pancake - id be concerned about the 25mm being just a bit too tight as an all round lense
 
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