Lawrie's Dating Ad for a DVXUSER LADY!!
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puredrifting
Major Contributor
Good to know Charli, although I should have picked up on that from your spelling of your name.
I am just glad to see some girl power on here, we have needed it. The production community constantly loses a lot of valuable skill, passion and energy by intentionally and unintentionally excluding women.
I used to be the VP of the LAFCPUG (Los Angeles Final Cut Pro User Group) and we always faced the same problem, bunch of sweaty geek guys tended to intimidate the few women we could ever get to come to the group. It's not the 1960s, production is not just for guys.
In case you haven't picked up on it, my producing partner and primary line producer I hire are both women and in general, I really like working with women as much, if not more than with guys in production. Have ran into a lot of flakey male crew lately (people bailing out on shoots the night before production begins type of stuff). Every woman I have had for crew OTOH, has been 110%.
Dan
I am just glad to see some girl power on here, we have needed it. The production community constantly loses a lot of valuable skill, passion and energy by intentionally and unintentionally excluding women.
I used to be the VP of the LAFCPUG (Los Angeles Final Cut Pro User Group) and we always faced the same problem, bunch of sweaty geek guys tended to intimidate the few women we could ever get to come to the group. It's not the 1960s, production is not just for guys.
In case you haven't picked up on it, my producing partner and primary line producer I hire are both women and in general, I really like working with women as much, if not more than with guys in production. Have ran into a lot of flakey male crew lately (people bailing out on shoots the night before production begins type of stuff). Every woman I have had for crew OTOH, has been 110%.
Dan
TMerry
Well-known member
Lawrie,
I thought were not supposed to show any footage from our MonsterFest films
(j/k) ;-)
I thought were not supposed to show any footage from our MonsterFest films
(j/k) ;-)
Thanks Puredrifting for the positive observation.
I don't know why most of us women are not more involved with production. I feel a lot of us, especially in the graphic arts end are growing in a post production world. IMO it doesn't matter the gender just the talent, the life experiences, and artistic mind of an individual that matters in our field.
I don't know why most of us women are not more involved with production. I feel a lot of us, especially in the graphic arts end are growing in a post production world. IMO it doesn't matter the gender just the talent, the life experiences, and artistic mind of an individual that matters in our field.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Right, not saying all women are great at what they do and that men aren't, that would be ridiculous, just saying that women have some innate traits that are suited for our industry, one of which is, most women don't try to get across that they already know everything and most women I have worked with are great at listening and learning. I can't say the same for a lot of guys I work with in this industry although there are exceptions.
Guys really don't like to hear this, production has been a mostly boys only club except for script supervisors and makeup for decades. Recently I worked with a great female AD on Prison Break and some really great women gaffers on some indie projects. Nice to see things beginning to even out.
Dan
Guys really don't like to hear this, production has been a mostly boys only club except for script supervisors and makeup for decades. Recently I worked with a great female AD on Prison Break and some really great women gaffers on some indie projects. Nice to see things beginning to even out.
Dan
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
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Uh oh. I feel a DVXuser game night coming on! Get the popcorn ready!
or we can just jump to the fun
or we can just jump to the fun
Charli
cool little "title"
purdrift - I think the problem is not only that a roomful of boys might intimidate a girl, it's that the girl hangs out with too many other girls to know "how" to handle herself around boys.
Boys/Men it's all the same.
I would rather go to the arcade and play Virtual Cop with a guy friend then to sit and listen to a girlfriend whine and whine about her boyfriend. But a lot of women are women and they let their emotions have the better of them.
I don't feel sorry for them in this industry. It's a cut-throat business and you have to have some balls for it, if you don't, go to culinary school, but uh, they are tough as nails there too.
Downside for the female gender in Hollywood, not enough in all areas, is there an upside? Uh, yeah, we're there, those of us anyhow who love to hang with the guys.
Boys/Men it's all the same.
I would rather go to the arcade and play Virtual Cop with a guy friend then to sit and listen to a girlfriend whine and whine about her boyfriend. But a lot of women are women and they let their emotions have the better of them.
I don't feel sorry for them in this industry. It's a cut-throat business and you have to have some balls for it, if you don't, go to culinary school, but uh, they are tough as nails there too.
Downside for the female gender in Hollywood, not enough in all areas, is there an upside? Uh, yeah, we're there, those of us anyhow who love to hang with the guys.
lawriejaffa
Veteran
Well a lovely restaurant is booked hehe! I have my shiniest shoes! We'll post some pictures from our lovely weekend! For all of you soft enough to appreciate it (especially you Chris!)
Then that will probably be enough from our schmaltzy romance fest!
Interesting little discussion here about gender in the industry! I think a lot of the times when a girl wants to be treated as 'one of the guys' its just a case of wanting to be treated properly you know! - as an actual individual and not a kind of presupposed sex in the city based personality or something.
I know exactly how they feel, when i go to my pilates classes there are all sorts of assumptions made about me, just because of my hello miss kitty leotard and arts and crafts fascination.
(Okay i do like arts and crafts - Sarah can attest to that) but apart from that im still ironically manly!) - er... well...
Then that will probably be enough from our schmaltzy romance fest!
Interesting little discussion here about gender in the industry! I think a lot of the times when a girl wants to be treated as 'one of the guys' its just a case of wanting to be treated properly you know! - as an actual individual and not a kind of presupposed sex in the city based personality or something.
I know exactly how they feel, when i go to my pilates classes there are all sorts of assumptions made about me, just because of my hello miss kitty leotard and arts and crafts fascination.
(Okay i do like arts and crafts - Sarah can attest to that) but apart from that im still ironically manly!) - er... well...
Doc Bernard
Indie Arms Member
Okay, maybe I am one of the "uneducated". But come on! HELLO MISS KITTY LEOTARDS??!!?? At least get some manly leotards. Wait........ Manly and leotards, I just can't write that in the same sentence with a straight face. Do they make some, I don't know, Race Car ones, or some Spiderman ones? Even some with fire or something.
Unfortunately, those "presumptions" you alluded to are based mainly on people's experience. I see someone wearing something way off base and not age-appropriate like that, and I make the assumption, because anyone else I have met that does that, is exactly what I am assuming you to be. You cannot blame people for assuming things about you while you are attempting to be "original" yet mimicking what a different lifestyle does. Be proud of who you are, but expect not everyone to immediately get that you are just a free spirit. "When you hear hoofbeats, most people don't think 'zebras'"
And if you are, who cares? Be proud of who you are.
I can go with Arts and Crafts, I love to paint and draw.
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Amen Dan!
Women are better than men in most aspects of the production business, there is this strange phenomenon that women have that men don't, it's an extra sensory organ, for us it's like trying to explain the 4th dimension, to them it's just normal. They can see things we can't and in a better way, a way that actually makes sense. Chemistry with actors is an example, don't ever use a male casting agent. Same goes for story telling, producing, line producing, directing, they just have this attention for detail that gets missed by most men. :thumbup:
Ryan Patrick O'Hara
Veteran
poo pooing nonesense. Seriously? That is an awful lot of absolute statements. I'm going to go ahead and disagree about any gender being better and I think this argument is best determined on individual skill set. You can argue this all day, but it won't go anywhere. There are obviously differences between men and women, but creative judgment or other production related duties have not shown an overwhelming or even substantial amount of proof to back up any gender's role as supreme at this or that. I'm sorry. When it comes to film making I've never thought a men or women were better then another... it just seemed to be on individuals. Making absolute and borderline sexist comments is a fast way to hijack a thread and get it shut down.
PS: I'd like you to point out this extra sensory organ on a map of the female anatomy. :beer:
And I don't mean this girl:
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Sarah Daly
Well-known member
Ooh Samantha Morton! Now she's better than most men... 
I'd have to concur with Ryan on the gender assumptions - yes men and women are different - upstairs and downstairs but both have traits that potentially make both suited to all kinds of production roles.
And yes, of course it depends on the particular belle or beau...
Oh and I just wanna add that here in Ireland - a large proportion of producers are women, for whatever reason. And in the film degree I did, the ratio of girls to guys was 5:1. So maybe things are changing? Equalling out would be nice...
I'd have to concur with Ryan on the gender assumptions - yes men and women are different - upstairs and downstairs but both have traits that potentially make both suited to all kinds of production roles.
And yes, of course it depends on the particular belle or beau...
Oh and I just wanna add that here in Ireland - a large proportion of producers are women, for whatever reason. And in the film degree I did, the ratio of girls to guys was 5:1. So maybe things are changing? Equalling out would be nice...
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
Why? Why would things be better if everything was equal? I guess it would make the festivals interesting here if everyone tied for first place...or if we all drove the same car...had the same talent...had a 10 person crew....or better yet had the same wealth, health & happiness!
Humm...maybe this equal thing wouldn't be so bad.....:huh:
lawriejaffa
Veteran
See Zaza your reaching the inevitable conclusion of eternal spiritual bliss!!
Imagine all the people!!! tralalala
Imagine all the people!!! tralalala
ZazaCast
Major Contributor
HA! Yeah... but on second thought, that Eloi / Morlock thing still makes me have nightsweats to this day!
...and after all...not all of us could hope to reach the intellectual heights that you possess!
Cheers to you & Sarah! Maybe between the two of you, you can finally figure out who
REALLY created whiskey....the Scottish...or the Irish?:beer:
...and after all...not all of us could hope to reach the intellectual heights that you possess!
Cheers to you & Sarah! Maybe between the two of you, you can finally figure out who
REALLY created whiskey....the Scottish...or the Irish?:beer:
BWahahahahaha! :grin:
:beer: