northernhookers
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Thank you so much for this Chad. Awesome!!
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Lav Shootout! Rode, Tram, Sanken & Sennheiser
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Chadfish
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My pleasure northern hookers!
Wow, this is actually the video / thread that started me doing mic shootouts and all sorts of audio tests. It's been a year and a half since I made the Lav Shootout! vid, and I've had a lot of fun doing all the videos since. I have one coming up for the Rode Stereo VideoMic Pro. Watch out for it!
Wow, this is actually the video / thread that started me doing mic shootouts and all sorts of audio tests. It's been a year and a half since I made the Lav Shootout! vid, and I've had a lot of fun doing all the videos since. I have one coming up for the Rode Stereo VideoMic Pro. Watch out for it!
indiawilds
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Look forward to Chad! It is always a pleasure watching your videos.
Chadfish
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That brightness works well for placing the mic under clothes.
Chad,
I am curious. Did you ever have a chance to compare the Tram TR50, Voice Technologies 500, Countryman EMW and the OST 801? They all appear to have the same form factor, technology and curves. Except the OST 801 is about a third of the price of the rest. I own three of the latter and I think they do a great job, but would love to see how they really all compare...
I am curious. Did you ever have a chance to compare the Tram TR50, Voice Technologies 500, Countryman EMW and the OST 801? They all appear to have the same form factor, technology and curves. Except the OST 801 is about a third of the price of the rest. I own three of the latter and I think they do a great job, but would love to see how they really all compare...
Did you ever do a test between the Rode Lav and the Rode PinMic. It would be nice to see this with the Sanken Cos11D.
Also, when you did the Test with the Sanken and the ME2, and you were rubbing in your shirt. Do you notice these types of sounds when you are recording people walking around or giving lectures. The Sanken has a very clean sound, but the Rodes also do and at a cheaper price. No one will notice the difference if you give them one audio file. I think they both do a pro job.
The Sanken you said is used in a lot of films and movies, so that being said it is tested and works. Has the Rode been tested and excepted into the film and movie industry?
Will both of these work with my Sennheiser G3 wireless unit? Is the Rode as easy to hide as the Sanken. The Sanken is water resistant, and that would be great if I film hunting a fishing, how is the Rode.
I know there might be newer lav mics out there, but these sounded GREAT.
Thanks for any help.
oh, you said not to get the ME4...I did. I bought them 2 years ago. Nothing but trouble. What do you suggest I use them for?
Also, when you did the Test with the Sanken and the ME2, and you were rubbing in your shirt. Do you notice these types of sounds when you are recording people walking around or giving lectures. The Sanken has a very clean sound, but the Rodes also do and at a cheaper price. No one will notice the difference if you give them one audio file. I think they both do a pro job.
The Sanken you said is used in a lot of films and movies, so that being said it is tested and works. Has the Rode been tested and excepted into the film and movie industry?
Will both of these work with my Sennheiser G3 wireless unit? Is the Rode as easy to hide as the Sanken. The Sanken is water resistant, and that would be great if I film hunting a fishing, how is the Rode.
I know there might be newer lav mics out there, but these sounded GREAT.
Thanks for any help.
oh, you said not to get the ME4...I did. I bought them 2 years ago. Nothing but trouble. What do you suggest I use them for?
Thank you, great review and video. Answered a lot of question. What situations is a pinmic better to use then a lav. Is it because if you wear it outside the clothing, the pinmic would be the least noticeable. You would think news people would jump on this mic to use. And people don't mind putting this on? Just wondering about a woman wearing a nice shirt or suit, what their reaction to putting some pin holes. You are right, such easy setup with the pin mic. And when you rubbed the cable, I did not hear anything. It was less then when you rubbed the Sanken in your other video.
I would like the Pinmic, but like you said in an email, I might get more use out of the Rode Lav. But if I go with getting 2 mics, I might have to get this.
I can't wait to see more of your reviews.
I would like the Pinmic, but like you said in an email, I might get more use out of the Rode Lav. But if I go with getting 2 mics, I might have to get this.
I can't wait to see more of your reviews.
Chadfish
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You answered your own question. Some people don't want you all up in their shirt, making holes in their silk. You can't put the PinMic through a suit lapel folded over because it's too thick. A lav you can put anywhere. So the PinMic is a specialty mic. Most people I shoot are wearing casual clothes, so I can use it a lot. But I absolutely have my Lav in the bag too. You must cover the basic needs first.
I am going to place an order today on the lav. I am really excited, and you have no idea the work I did to clean up the bad effects of my other lav mic.
When I do sit down interviews, maybe with 2 people, I would like to use mic with manfrotto 420B and boom. Would the Rode NT 3 or NTG 3 be the one to get. Is the NT 3 Hyper Mic a good choice when I don't want to use a lav and I am shooting indoors.
I have not bought the 420B yet, but it looks solid and very useful.
In your audio test, you used a shotgun mic NTG3. It sounded great, but I read that most people don't use a boom mic, but a Condenser mic for indoor. Once again it worked and sounded good.
When I do sit down interviews, maybe with 2 people, I would like to use mic with manfrotto 420B and boom. Would the Rode NT 3 or NTG 3 be the one to get. Is the NT 3 Hyper Mic a good choice when I don't want to use a lav and I am shooting indoors.
I have not bought the 420B yet, but it looks solid and very useful.
In your audio test, you used a shotgun mic NTG3. It sounded great, but I read that most people don't use a boom mic, but a Condenser mic for indoor. Once again it worked and sounded good.
The PinMic has been a lifesaver for me shooting women, who routinely do not wear anything appropriate for attaching a typical lapel mic. I shot a lot of business/corporate, so most of the men are always wearing a button up of some kind, although the PinMic is a lifesaver for those that wear t-shirts as well.
Rick R
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Generally a 'stationary' single boom mic is not good for two-person interviews, placing it in between the two speakers would put both off-axis.. unless there seated almost on top off each other. Having an experienced boom op is another story, but not as cheap as a boom stand and a stand doesn't demand lunch either. (no Subway sandwiches please) Lavs on separate tracks would be a better in that scenario.
As was stated many times before, an interference tube shotgun mic may or may not sound good depending on a room's acoustics. I have never used an NT 3 Hyper, nor do I recall anyone using them for dialog. That does not mean they wouldn't sound OK.
As was stated many times before, an interference tube shotgun mic may or may not sound good depending on a room's acoustics. I have never used an NT 3 Hyper, nor do I recall anyone using them for dialog. That does not mean they wouldn't sound OK.
Hi Rick
Here is the video I watched on the mic and a bogen boom tripod. This would be my type of set up I am shooting most of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gvOO9hUvNI&feature=player_embedded#!
Most of the time it would be one person talking, but he is talking it might be ok for 2. And yes, they would be close together. Mostly a teacher and student.
what do you think, or do you recommend something else.
Sorry for posting this on this great LAv post. I came across this when looking at Rode Lavs
Here is the video I watched on the mic and a bogen boom tripod. This would be my type of set up I am shooting most of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gvOO9hUvNI&feature=player_embedded#!
Most of the time it would be one person talking, but he is talking it might be ok for 2. And yes, they would be close together. Mostly a teacher and student.
what do you think, or do you recommend something else.
Sorry for posting this on this great LAv post. I came across this when looking at Rode Lavs
Chadfish
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Firstly, the Rode NT3 is NOT a hyper. It is a cardioid pattern, which is wider than a hyper. As usual, for mid budget hypers I suggest the AT4053b. But for 2 people, you really need 2 mics for an appropriate quality of sound. Otherwise you will have to move the mic so far back you will get a lot of room sound and it will sound amateur. You'd do better running 2 lavs than one hyper split between 2 people. Even if one lav may be the stock ME-2 most wireless owners have, and perhaps a rode lav as the 2nd mic. Even the decent sounding Giant Squid lav would be great. Just use it wired to the camera. You can get 2 for 60 bucks, and keep them for emergencies like this one. Close proximity to the mouth does more for sound quality than any fancy mic features. A 2,000.00 mic still sounds like crap 6 feet away from the speaker.
I have and love the Manfrotto 420b combi-boom! I use it in all my gear review videos, and whenever I'm booming someone sitting down.
I have and love the Manfrotto 420b combi-boom! I use it in all my gear review videos, and whenever I'm booming someone sitting down.
You are right on this, I was doing more research on this and found out I made a mistake. Ok, just one person for this mic.
In your videos Chad, don't you use the NTG-3 for your boom mic? That sounds good. Also someone else said the Audio Technica AT-897 is good too. I have the Me66 , not sure if that would be good. I sometimes have about 10 to 20 people coming in one by one to give short interviews, and I don't want to hook up the lav for each one. I would use this with the 420b.
In your videos Chad, don't you use the NTG-3 for your boom mic? That sounds good. Also someone else said the Audio Technica AT-897 is good too. I have the Me66 , not sure if that would be good. I sometimes have about 10 to 20 people coming in one by one to give short interviews, and I don't want to hook up the lav for each one. I would use this with the 420b.
Chadfish
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As a general rule, shotguns are not for indoor use. The interference tube designed to reject side noise can cause phase issues when using it indoors in a reflective environment. And the ME66 (I have one) is terrible in dealing with reflections. I only use my NTG-3 outdoors, unless it's for some sort of test. When I use it in my studio, I have treated walls that cut reflections, so you don't get phase issues. It's not impossible to get decent sound with a shotgun indoors, but it's more appropriate to have the correct tool for the job: a hyper. The Rode NTG-2 is a better sounding mic than the AT-897. The 897 is an Electret condenser, which is a cheaper way to go and not as good as a true condenser which the Rode NTG-2 and NTG-3 are. I have both and love my NTG-3! I keep my NTG-2 for when I use both ov my EX1 cameras for something.
As a general rule, shotguns are not for indoor use. The interference tube designed to reject side noise can cause phase issues when using it indoors in a reflective environment. And the ME66 (I have one) is terrible in dealing with reflections. I only use my NTG-3 outdoors, unless it's for some sort of test. When I use it in my studio, I have treated walls that cut reflections, so you don't get phase issues. It's not impossible to get decent sound with a shotgun indoors, but it's more appropriate to have the correct tool for the job: a hyper. The Rode NTG-2 is a better sounding mic than the AT-897. The 897 is an Electret condenser, which is a cheaper way to go and not as good as a true condenser which the Rode NTG-2 and NTG-3 are. I have both and love my NTG-3! I keep my NTG-2 for when I use both ov my EX1 cameras for something.
Hi
Well I ordered the Rode Lav. And then I was thinking, I might also get the Rode Pinmic too. I assume these mics can be used for movie and broadcast material? If by chance I get into a bind, and for some odd reason I need to hide the pinmic under clothes, is this possible and will the sound still be ok?
But the pinmic seems for easy hook up, not sure how it will survive an actor or someone walking around a lot giving a lecture. I am sure I will do your trick and tape a loop under the shirt.
Please let me know if this is not a good investment. I have some big seminar and lecture type jobs coming up, and sound is most important.
And not sure I understand the last post. You said a hyper mic would be best for a boom mic just above the actor. This would be mostly inside. So what would you recommend. You said you like both the NTG-2, and NTG-3.
And is it possible to use outside if I need to?
Thanks
Well I ordered the Rode Lav. And then I was thinking, I might also get the Rode Pinmic too. I assume these mics can be used for movie and broadcast material? If by chance I get into a bind, and for some odd reason I need to hide the pinmic under clothes, is this possible and will the sound still be ok?
But the pinmic seems for easy hook up, not sure how it will survive an actor or someone walking around a lot giving a lecture. I am sure I will do your trick and tape a loop under the shirt.
Please let me know if this is not a good investment. I have some big seminar and lecture type jobs coming up, and sound is most important.
And not sure I understand the last post. You said a hyper mic would be best for a boom mic just above the actor. This would be mostly inside. So what would you recommend. You said you like both the NTG-2, and NTG-3.
And is it possible to use outside if I need to?
Thanks
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