Latest SonicStates GH1 footage - BIIIIG Size

Anyone care to post these clips on vimeo???

I won't be back at my office for a couple of days, and I don't have the software on my laptop to check these out...
 
I did the pulldown with JES and compressor. Looking at them side by side motion is the same but JES is showing a more contrasty conversion. Shadows are darker. Maybe a gamma setting in JES .

Still seeing blockiness in gray wall in clip 00008 in both JES and compressor.

Also you can create droplet in compressor making the dealing with many files in FCp much easier I can't seem to find a batch option in JES.
 
Here's my directions:

Here's JES, it runs on mac and is free:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html#DEI

Take your footage that you log and transferred in Final Cut and open it in JES.

1. Under Input make sure Topfield is checked.
2. Under Project select inverse telecine, select detect cadence breaks (I sometimes will select suppress interlaced scene changes, but am not sure if it makes a difference) and set output framerate to 23.976.
3. Don't mess with color, just leave it on default.
4. Under output put it in a different folder than original materal.
5. Under video output select export and choose quicktime movie. Choose prores.
Under your Prores settings make sure framerate is at 23.976, set to progressive, dimensions 1920X1080
Sound setting is Integer(Big Endian) Sample rate 48.000kHz, 16bit, Stereo
and hit OK.
6. And hit OK to have it run. It should strip the pulldown and get you back to native 23.976.

Also, you can setup JES to run as a droplet, meaning that I'll select all my footage in the finder, drop it on JES and it will automatically do the pulldown and set it to a folder. You can select the droplet option under Preferences ==> File. You can also setup a folder to process to under Preferences ==> File as well.

In my experience JES runs MUCH faster than Compressor.
 
Oedipax said:
In my experience JES is usually more intelligent about finding the cadence and removing pulldown. When I first got my HV20, I was discovering occasional interlace combing in my footage after processing it with Compressor (the 'recommended' workflow), but JES handled it fine. That having been said, the only GH1 footage I've tried processing the same way with JES did have artifacts remaining. I'm not sure why that is, it could easily be something I'm doing wrong I'm sure. The Cineform NeoScene demo seems to do a good job of it without additional fussing, for what it's worth.
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I agree with JES being pretty solid. It's worked with most footage I've ran through it from the Canon HF S100 and the GH1.

Regarding seeing any remaining interlacing in the footage, my theory is this:

We have all seen the instances where the compression falls apart in 1080. When this happens, the interlacing is no longer accurately recorded, so when you deinterlace, you'll see residual interlace line artifacts. It's not pretty.

http://www.holyzoo.com/content/dslr/GH1_CodecBlowup2.jpg
 
Isaac_Brody said:
Here's my directions:

Here's JES, it runs on mac and is free:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~jeschot/home.html#DEI



Also, you can setup JES to run as a droplet, meaning that I'll select all my footage in the finder, drop it on JES and it will automatically do the pulldown and set it to a folder. You can select the droplet option under Preferences ==> File. You can also setup a folder to process to under Preferences ==> File as well.

In my experience JES runs MUCH faster than Compressor.
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Awesome thanks for that. So many options. I'm gonna do a time test.
 
SonicStates,

Thank you so much for doing these tests! At last, some footage straight from the camera that I can open in FCP.

These are by far the most "sensible" test shots I've seen. We all know by now that the GH1 is capable of shallow depth of field... now the big question is: what else can it do?

Also, big bonus points for not having flowers or cats in your shots. :-)

As mentionned multiple times elsewhere, future tests should try to stick to:

1/50th for 24p
1/60th for 60p (for 24p retime)
1/120th for 60p (for slowmotion @ 24p)

However, another major parameter that doesn't seem to be discussed a lot around the forums is sharpening. This is a major setting. Most cameras usually have sharpening set way too high by default, which makes aliasing worse, creates a "video" look and makes the compressor work harder than it should.


mico said:
I did the pulldown with JES and compressor. Looking at them side by side motion is the same but JES is showing a more contrasty conversion. Shadows are darker. Maybe a gamma setting in JES .
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JES messes the gamma information in the header of .mov file. The actual pixels are the same under the hood. It's just QuickTime player showing it "wrong".

Looking at both JES and Compressor footage in FCP, Shake or Nuke shows that they are the same.

Gamma/colorspace handling in QuickTime player vs. FCP vs. AE vs. Others is a real MAJOR clusterf**k. I dream of the day Apple will get it's act together on that one...

-- Xavier
 
I'm converting these in neoScene to CineForm and they are showing up as 29.97fps in AE3... Are they actually 24?
 
thanks for the files! I'm testing now...


sorry, but if you remove the pulldown, it should appear as 23.996 not as 29.97 , I mean the 1080 24p files
 
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Fantastic stuff Sonic! Thanks a lot, especially for the blue sky! :love4:

The DR looks good, even when the sky stays blue, only the black suits are crushed. I'm pretty sure there's even more DR to squeeze out of this machine with either "nostalgic" film mode, or setting the contrast to low. A polarizer can also add a stop or so if the iffy part is the blue sky.
 
we need to see shallow dof

we need to see shallow dof

I think now we need to see shallow dof footage, a people face against a blur backgorund, in the streets with tress and buildings behind and cars moving...

some tips for shallow dof footage (if sonicstates can do and upload the mts raw files)

use lens in 35mm / 50mm / 70mm and 100mm
use f4 (diafragm open)
use any shutter speed
use iso 100

shot a people face and also the chest and face in streets with tress , buildings and cars behind (to see the city blurred in the background)

if you can do this will be very usefull

thanks
 
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Message: "AVCHD media is unsupported on PowerPC based hardware"

Bah !!!

Any recommendations other that getting an INTEL box?
 
Incredibly slow though. best to partner up with someone with a really fast mac pro. You can also use toast.
 
Justyn said:
Incredibly slow though. best to partner up with someone with a really fast mac pro. You can also use toast.
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Has anyone actually tested Toast? It seems like, if this works, its the perfect solution-- it pulls out the video without reconverting it (as I understand it.)
 
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