lake mead to dry up?
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HorseFilms
Look ma no hands
I have a lake of mead in my basement. It's not going to dry up anytime soon.:beer:
Blaine
Mr. Hollywood
That would be a lake of your making, right? :happy:
HorseFilms
Look ma no hands
Yeah, that Snowy River situation is crazy too. I bet nobody ever thought they'd see that town again.
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Zander
Well-known member
And why haven't you invited me over?
Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
You know what they say about people who give something a 50/50 chance? They can never be wrong, therefore they can always afford to disagree with those who put real data out there and make real predictions based on defined and defensible trends.
The article you posted isn't a very compelling retort to the Scripps Institute study. I would liken the article to the Quahog Aerospace School telling JPL that their ideas about rocket propulsion might have a 50/50 shot of being right - according to their anecdotal data.
They [Scripps] have a decades-long legacy in oceanic and freshwater studies and the NYTimes story that spun from it indicates dozens of lakes around the world where this phenomenon is underway.
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The article you posted isn't a very compelling retort to the Scripps Institute study. I would liken the article to the Quahog Aerospace School telling JPL that their ideas about rocket propulsion might have a 50/50 shot of being right - according to their anecdotal data.
They [Scripps] have a decades-long legacy in oceanic and freshwater studies and the NYTimes story that spun from it indicates dozens of lakes around the world where this phenomenon is underway.
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Matt Gottshalk
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Sorry, but the study in question has a false premise that doesn't take in ALL of the facts:
It is based on the fact the the current 7 tear drought will continue for the next 13 years. This region has always been in the grips of wet and dry cycles. 1995 was the last year of a drought cycle followed by 3 years of record wet/snwopack years and the lakes were full. Look at the snowpack this winter folks. Sierra over 200% of normal, Rockies 175% normal.
The last drought buster winters filled the lakes to capacity and it will happen again.
"Science" that doesn't take in all of the facts is nothing more than a politically motivated sham.
How much $$$ does the NOAA get from the .gov for its studies?
It is based on the fact the the current 7 tear drought will continue for the next 13 years. This region has always been in the grips of wet and dry cycles. 1995 was the last year of a drought cycle followed by 3 years of record wet/snwopack years and the lakes were full. Look at the snowpack this winter folks. Sierra over 200% of normal, Rockies 175% normal.
The last drought buster winters filled the lakes to capacity and it will happen again.
"Science" that doesn't take in all of the facts is nothing more than a politically motivated sham.
How much $$$ does the NOAA get from the .gov for its studies?
ugafan
Looking for a woman
i hope you are right.
Well, you're starting to talk politics in this thread now and that won't fly, so... I'll turn it back to facts versus policy.
The worldwide climate changes seem to be occuring despite higher than average snowpacks and cyclical patterns like drought, El Niño and so forth. What is the answer then?
In California, Mono Lake has been dwindling for generations and the Salton Sea and Central Valley's Owens Lake is gone. Of course, you can drive across them and continue to deny, deny, deny it. Doesn't change the fact that these fresh and saltwater bodies are no longer viable.
We should all be waking up to the fact that the planet could use a little care and do our part in whatever way we can. My first step in 2008 was the purchase of a 60mpg diesel wagon to replace one of our 15/18mpg 4.0L V8s Land Rovers.
Owen's Lake
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The worldwide climate changes seem to be occuring despite higher than average snowpacks and cyclical patterns like drought, El Niño and so forth. What is the answer then?
In California, Mono Lake has been dwindling for generations and the Salton Sea and Central Valley's Owens Lake is gone. Of course, you can drive across them and continue to deny, deny, deny it. Doesn't change the fact that these fresh and saltwater bodies are no longer viable.
We should all be waking up to the fact that the planet could use a little care and do our part in whatever way we can. My first step in 2008 was the purchase of a 60mpg diesel wagon to replace one of our 15/18mpg 4.0L V8s Land Rovers.
Owen's Lake
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Matt Gottshalk
Resident Preditor
Well, you're starting to talk politics in this thread now and that won't fly, so... I'll turn it back to facts versus policy.
The worldwide climate changes seem to be occuring despite higher than average snowpacks and cyclical patterns like drought, El Niño and so forth. What is the answer then?
In California, Mono Lake has been dwindling for generations and the Salton Sea and Central Valley's Owens Lake is gone. Of course, you can drive across them and continue to deny, deny, deny it. Doesn't change the fact that these fresh and saltwater bodies are no longer viable.
We should all be waking up to the fact that the planet could use a little care and do our part in whatever way we can. My first step in 2008 was the purchase of a 60mpg diesel wagon to replace one of our 15/18mpg 4.0L V8s Land Rovers.
Owen's Lake
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Fair enough, my apologies for sidelining the topic....
You make good points. I like researching this type of thing, and you're right on one in particular. You can't believe everything you read.
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Matt Gottshalk
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Thats hot!
Yeah, like TDIPorn.
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Eastside Parkway
Well-known member
Frankly I'm surprised this didn't happen a long time ago.
Simon Höfer
Veteran
Hey Erik, good car choice 
Good to see people changing their mind about cars. It always bothered me, that so many people in the USA and also other countries are driving so wasteful and huge cars.
Climate definately is changing. I can see it with my own eyes. When I was a small kid, we could go sledging so many times during wintertime. But every year snow is getting less and less. This winter, we had snow for only 1 (ONE) day. It lasted for a couple of hours. Figure that!
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I also don't like the trend for driving these huge SUVs. Even here in germany they are growing like mushrooms everywhere. What's the point? Streets are definately not that bad, so you would need a SUV.
Good to see people changing their mind about cars. It always bothered me, that so many people in the USA and also other countries are driving so wasteful and huge cars.
Climate definately is changing. I can see it with my own eyes. When I was a small kid, we could go sledging so many times during wintertime. But every year snow is getting less and less. This winter, we had snow for only 1 (ONE) day. It lasted for a couple of hours. Figure that!
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I also don't like the trend for driving these huge SUVs. Even here in germany they are growing like mushrooms everywhere. What's the point? Streets are definately not that bad, so you would need a SUV.
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Unfortunately, we don't have the diesel choices you do in Europe. When we were in France last summer, imagine our surprise at nearly 60 mpg in the Opel Zafira we'd rented... for six passengers and a full load of gear.
The Mercedes-VW engine in this new car is one of, if not the first, 50-state diesel brought to the North American market.
If we had real choices, I believe that many of us would make them. I, for one, have lobbied for diesel Land Rovers in the USA for about 10 years. The V8 I drive was created for the USA market - based on an old Buick design of all things.
The ROW got the TDI and the mileage that goes with it.
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The Mercedes-VW engine in this new car is one of, if not the first, 50-state diesel brought to the North American market.
If we had real choices, I believe that many of us would make them. I, for one, have lobbied for diesel Land Rovers in the USA for about 10 years. The V8 I drive was created for the USA market - based on an old Buick design of all things.
The ROW got the TDI and the mileage that goes with it.
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