HPX250: Kinda Funny. Thought going to solid state media was going to save me time inputing

rzr219

rzr219

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So I was so jazzed about getting away from tape because of 1 for 1 input. So I just shot a 1 1/2 hour program. Well I shot it in 100 Intra Full Raster HD. So I connected the device and went to load it, almost 1 1/2 hours (which I knew because its about 1min per 1 GB). Then I went to use Final Cut, have to transfer so it will read it its still going, I would guess another 8 more miuntes. Hum that is almost 1 for 1. Oh well at least I don't have to hear the tape deck anymore scream away. However I did know when it was done because it was always so quite. :tongue:

I thought as you got older you had more patience. . .looks more than 8 minutes now, the circles are moving still. Who ever invented the circles going after each other, probably the same person you made the ding :evil: noise when something isn't right . . .
 
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Ahhhh, waiting for CS6 then I will jump all over it. I have FCP 6, was going to get CS5.5, but I heard 6 was rolling out soon, so I am holding out. Then the fun will begin on learning a whole new interface. However from what I see I like CS more than FC. Sad apple do-sent care anymore about video editing for prof use, only consumer low end. By the way I am 3/4 of the way on the circles now.:thumbsup:
 
rzr219 said:
Ahhhh, waiting for CS6 then I will jump all over it. I have FCP 6, was going to get CS5.5, but I heard 6 was rolling out soon, so I am holding out. Then the fun will begin on learning a whole new interface. However from what I see I like CS more than FC. Sad apple do-sent care anymore about video editing for prof use, only consumer low end. By the way I am 3/4 of the way on the circles now.:thumbsup:
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Why wait? Get CS5.5 now and you'll get a free upgrade to CS6 when it's released. Probably save some money too....

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If you are waiting for a Panna rebate, get comfy; you will be waiting a while if history is any indicator. My experience.

Grant
 
For clarification -- there are NLEs that embrace the tapeless workflow, and there are NLEs that don't. If you use an NLE that embraces a tapeless workflow, your potential speed increases will be exponential. Imagine shooting a live four-hour concert on five cameras ... that's 20 hours of footage ... and putting all the cards in the computer simultaneously, you have INSTANT access to ALL 20 hours of footage. No importing, no rendering, no transcoding, no converting, no anything at all. Just plug the cards in and edit.

If your NLE supports it (and Premiere Pro does) then yes you can have massive speed increases.

If that's not your workflow, and you're going to transfer all your footage to hard drive before editing, then obviously you won't get quite that much of a speed increase. You can still get substantial increases -- copying a 64GB P2 card to a RAID can take as little as 7 minutes, and if you shot on AVCI-50 24p that would mean transferring five hours of footage in 7 minutes.
 
If you were on a PC and had Edius, you could start using and editing the contents of the cards immediately while the clips are transferred in the background. When the transfer completes, Edius will relink the project to reference the clips in their new location.

There are certainly things that other NLEs do better, but the P2 workflow in Edius is outstanding.
 
THoff said:
If you were on a PC and had Edius, you could start using and editing the contents of the cards immediately while the clips are transferred in the background. When the transfer completes, Edius will relink the project to reference the clips in their new location.
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Wow, that is a very nice function indeed!
 
100% agree with Edius. I've tried them all, and Edius is the fastest NLE I've ever used. I can shoot a live Red Carpet,,, plug the P2 card into my PCMCIA to Express adapter on my laptop, and edit in realtime immediately. Output a 3 min. sizzle H264 flie,, upload to the FTP site, and watch the highlights on the web page. When I'm working on a stamp unveiling for the USPS, I'll see a lot of network Panasonic P2 cameras on the site. ABC, NBC, and others use GrassValley Edius quite a bit for their news editing, cause it's just so fast without rendering.
 
THoff said:
If you were on a PC and had Edius, you could start using and editing the contents of the cards immediately while the clips are transferred in the background.
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I had never heard of this software. I just looked at it, too bad its only PC.

So in responce to Barrys info about a Raid and 7 minutes offloading, what system does the transfer. I mean a standard P2 reader usb 2? Or something else, I have not come across a usb 3 P2 reader that will work with Mac from what I have read. I have also looked for a RAID external device and found a INFO SAFE 3.5 4 Drive eSATA RAID with controller card, but some say it dosent work correctly with MAC OS. Any good RAID systems that you know of for a reasonable price point?
 
rzr219 said:
what system does the transfer. I mean a standard P2 reader usb 2? Or something else, I have not come across a usb 3 P2 reader that will work with Mac from what I have read.
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Macs don't support USB3.

The way to get highspeed transfers on a Mac is to use a Mac Pro desktop and a PCD35 PCI card reader.

If you were to go to a Windows system you have many options for high speed transfer, including USB 3 and the PCD35 as well as a cheap direct slot reader.
 
mcgeedigital said:
Or you could just drag and drop it into a PP CS5.5 timeline.
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I know its pretty popular around here to go on about dropping any media on a Premiere timeline ... and yay ...everything is rosy.
But I have to say no its not. Its good in a short form project but Premiere really sucks as a long form editor.

There's a price to pay for being able to stick anything on the timeline. Every time you need to export, premiere has to re-render the entire timeline.

Lets say you have a 40 minute edit and the client asks for one little change at the 36th minute. This means you must re-render all those other minutes all over again. Believe me, I want Premiere to be great, I love all those bells and whistles.
But without a native codec I can see no way around this issue and this is the reason FCP and AVID have native codecs.

If only Adobe had bought cineform instead of go-pro

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trying to rephrase my post so it is more positive
 
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rzr219 said:
Looks really nice, do you have one of these? And if so did you get a eSATA card or just firewaire 800? for a MAC
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Both, have used the rack Pro vie eSata connected to a MacPro, and the desktop version via FW800 connected to an iMac.
 
J Davis said:
There's a price to pay for being able to stick anything on the timeline. Every time you need to export, premiere has to re-render the entire timeline.

Lets say you have a 40 minute edit and the client asks for one little change at the 36th minute. This means you must re-render all those other minutes all over again. Believe me, I want Premiere to be great, I love all those bells and whistles.
But without a native codec I can see no way around this issue and this is the reason FCP and AVID have native codecs.
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A native (proprietary?) codec is not a requirement for render-free editing. The fact that FCP still needs to render in many cases when adjusting filters just to preview the result shows that transcoding and rewrapping is not a solution. Edius doesn't transcode or rewrap anything and in most cases happily edits and previews multiformat projects in realtime.
 
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