Kevin Smith's Too Fat to Fly!!!

A consistent policy would obviously be most welcome. As I've flown over 100,000 miles each of the last four years, I have had more than my share of uncomfortable experiences due to crowded conditions.

So, yes, I do agree that there should be some basic guidelines -- along the lines of Johnnie Cochran's "If you do not fit, you must not sit."

That said -- Southwest claimed it was a "safety issue". Whether we accept that or not, none of us are pilots, none of us were the pilot or crew on that particular plane, and none of us are qualified to judge whether it was an appropriate action to take or not. But if the pilot of the plane says "no, I'm not gonna fly in this particular circumstance" then I take him at his word, and if someone's feelings get hurt, that's a very, very, very tiny price to pay as compared to the potential issues involved in having a pilot fly in conditions he doesn't consider safe.

The statement by Southwest mentions "safety and comfort" issues, as well as bringing up the notion about emergency conditions and exiting the plane and whatnot.

If they thought the plane was unbalanced, that's one potential reason for them to make this decision, I guess... I have been in that situation. Was on a small-ish plane (a Dehavilland Dash), seated in the first row, next to a 400-pound six-foot-eight guy, who was the last to board, and an employee of the airline. There were other seats available, but they gave him the first row. Pilot looked around, said "nope -- not gonna work, someone in the first three rows has got to move to the back of the plane." We waited about two minutes, expecting the obvious. It, of course, never happened, and in order to get the plane moving, I (and my massive 160 pounds) got up and moved to the back of the plane. But I can testify from first-hand experience, they do consider passenger weight distribution on planes.

Secondly, it is within the rights of a business to post a sign saying "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." This is a frequent occurrence with restaurants and retail shops. If Southwest was refusing service to Kevin Smith, that was within their rights, especially because he was a standby passenger. And Kevin Smith has rights too, including the right to take his business elsewhere and to tell people why he thinks they should take their business elsewhere. Undoubtedly there will be people enraged that an airline could act in such a way, and they will lose customers. Similarly, there are undoubtedly customers who are now more likely to fly on Southwest, feeling that they are taking steps to minimize or prevent the all-too-common overcrowding situation.
 
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I agree that if the pilot says no. That's no. But we've all flown next to the size-challenged. I can't really think of a reason why the pilot would intentionally be unfair. But if southwest is milking more tickets, or there is going to be some kind of policy, as you said, it needs to be consistent and I would say - implemented before the plane.

Also, to put another check in SW's fault column. The plane was not full. Smith claims, or implies at least, that he could have sat next to an empty seat if he moved or someone was shuffled. So, that being the case, SW could clearly have sold him two seats when he got the other standby ticket. "OK sir, for 'safety reasons' we need you to purchase two tickets".

If you let someone board and settle in. No question they should be allowed to move to another seat with an open seat next to it at no additional charge - so he wouldn't have to deplane, buy a ticket, get back on, etc.

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Plane was full.
 
Southwest has said that their policy is to require two tickets for the plus-size, and that they will actually REFUND the second-seat purchased if the plane isn't sold out. So it's not for revenue-gouging reasons.

As for safety reasons, those can range from weight distribution (depends on the size of the plane, of course) or access; if Smith was in an aisle seat and blocking the ability of the flight attendant to easily make the rounds, or posed a potential issue towards people getting out in an emergency situation -- well, those are judgement calls that only the flight crew is qualified to make.

I mean, think about it -- pretty much the only other possible explanation is the pilot hates Kevin Smith movies so he decided to throw Smith off the plane. What other explanation is there?

Smith claims, or implies at least, that he could have sat next to an empty seat if he moved or someone was shuffled
Then how is that Southwest's fault? Southwest has a no-assigned-seating policy. Smith *chose* that seat. If there were other empty seats available, he could easily have just chosen the one next to an empty.

And, before anyone gets any ideas, I don't fly Southwest, I haven't flown Southwest since leaving Las Vegas four years ago, and I despise their "race to get a seat" policy. But I am glad that they have it, because others love it, and it's good to have a choice in the marketplace.
 
(Listing to the very long SMODcast while working on press kits)

After an hour of Kevin Smith sitting in the airport tweeting ...

SXSW manager Eric "Oh my god they were wrong for taking you off that airplane and they were wrong for how they did it."

He'd initially offered Kevin Smith a $100 voucher.
 
Say one of us had a rotund daughter, sister, mother, grandmother ... would we want them treated that way in front of a plane full of people after they'd already boarded and been seated
?

Yes. Might make them get their fat ass in shape.

Ha ha





j/k
 
SMITH: Was I in violation of some FAA regulation?
SXSW MANAGER ERIC: No. We're going to do an investigation to determine exactly what happen.

On Smith's return flight, he purchased two tickets. An overweight woman sat in the third seat in his row. The same thing that happened to Smith almost happened to her despite the fact that there was a paid for empty seat between them.

The SXSW attendant escorted the woman off the plane to tell her that she was too fat to fly in one seat would have to ask SMITH if it was OK to share his middle seat with her, or she'd have to purchase another one herself.
 
Great move by the airlines. I buy a seat I don't want to share it with some "big person".
I don't feel sorry for Kevin Smith . If he doesn't want to take care of himself then he shouldn't make other people uncomfortable. Other people have rights too. Not just the fat movie director.

While I'm at it, I don't like his movies either.
 
Plus. Zim. He was a fat bastard when they let him on the plane with one ticket. He didn't suddenly get fat when he sat down.

It's about a little decency in how this was implemented.

Plus.

KEVIN SMITH:
"'people saying that Kev is just a fattie who needs to suck it up accept Southwest's policies.' If the call I just had was legit, a Linda from @SouthwestAir just apologized & said the Pilot DID NOT single me out for Fatty-ejection. Waiting on call back now."
http://twitter.com/thatkevinsmith

Which he said, from the git it was impossible that the pilot ever saw him.
http://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/9157431776
 
Why isn't he in first class?

Southwest has no first class. It's first come, first serve, like a bus. Some are speculating that the employees don't like the policy so they singled out Smith because they knew as a celebrity he might make a stink, and force corporate to change it.
 
I sat sandwiched between two overweight passengers on a southwest flight. Couldn't even put my table back down all the way b/c of the ladies leg spilling over. They didn't get ejected, and I didn't get a discount for taking up so little space :) Seems like they are inconsistent with this policy.

I don't understand the point of allowing a 'wider' person to purchase two seats in the first place if the two seats are not next to each other. Otherwise, what problem are you solving by allowing them to purchase an extra seat?

Later,
Jaosn
 
This crap in on my local news! WTF? This isn't news...a 'big' friend of mine had to buy two seats about a year ago on Southwest.
 
He should have waited on his plane with the two seats.

Plus. Zim. He was a fat bastard when they let him on the plane with one ticket. He didn't suddenly get fat when he sat down.

It's about a little decency in how this was implemented.

Plus.

KEVIN SMITH:
"'people saying that Kev is just a fattie who needs to suck it up accept Southwest's policies.' If the call I just had was legit, a Linda from @SouthwestAir just apologized & said the Pilot DID NOT single me out for Fatty-ejection. Waiting on call back now."
http://twitter.com/thatkevinsmith

Which he said, from the git it was impossible that the pilot ever saw him.
http://twitter.com/ThatKevinSmith/status/9157431776
 
Bullshi*.

He asked to be on standby.

The airline said yes.

Say no if it's against policy.

He's the customer. He doesn't run the place they do. It's not up to him to memorize their regulations. Which, BTW, if you care, it seems he was not in violation of.

Arm rest go down. Seatbelt clasp. What do you not get.

AND even if he didn't it the policy was not implemented in a respectful way.
 
Zim lets put your lack of sensitivity to people that struggle weight issues and lack understanding as to what that really means aside for the time being.

Let's take fat people out of it and say it was luggage that was ejected from the plane not Smith.

CUSTOMER: I'd like to get home earlier. Can I be on standby for this earlier flight.
SW: Sure, sir.
CUSTOMER: I have this carry on. Can it go on the plane?
SW: Yes.
CUSTOMER: Great.

FFWD to customer on plane with item PROPERLY stowed. All packed in. Door open to the baggage compartment where it's stowed.

SW: Sorry you're going to have to take that off the plane and there will be an additional charge for it to bring it on the next flight.
CUSTOMER: What?
SW: Your bag is too big?
CUSTOMER: What? Look no it fits. The door (armrest) was open when I got here. Look I'll close it (put it down). See? There. The bag fits.
SW: No it doesn't. The pilot says it doesn't fit. Take the bag off the plane.
CUSTOMER: But it does fit and it's the same size as when I showed it to you.
SW: Sorry the pilot says it doesn't.
CUSTOMER: But the pilot hasn't even seen it.
SW: Sorry sir. The pilot says so.

Yeah. Should have waited for the next flight. Clearly his fault.
 
Jack he knows the policy. Is it fair to the person who has to sit next to him? So Kevin Smith or anyone buys two seats because they are overweight. I'm sure that policy is put into place to make flying more comfortable for the other passengers.
Well Kevin wants to get home sooner so he takes a earlier flight. Policy is he can't fly unless there are two seats he can buy. So he has to get off the plane.
Sorry if the airlines doesn't always follow their own rules. But rules are rules and Kevin Smith shouldn't be able to break them and make some other person have a bad flight.

He shouldn't get special treatment. He has the money he can fly on another airlines first class. I don't feel sorry for him.
 
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