JVC beating the "HDX100" at NAB?

princigalli said:
mobody is bashing the Panasonic. Just that they are so late, one can't keep thinking about them when talking about HDV. Sony is now, JVC is also now. Panasonic coming maybe in 2006? The average professional life span is not one century, it's a few decades at most. I will not spend 1/10th of my professional life waiting for Panasonic to bring a camera to the market.
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What do you know about the average professional lifespan? I'm thinking... not much.
 
Terry,

"I got a fever. [pause] And the only pre-scrition. [pause] is more COW-bell"

I know it's been said a dozen times before but your avatar will never get old :thumbsup:
 
Barry Green, you understand exactly what I mean, and I really hope you are right about When the new Panasonic comes out. If that's the case, and if Panasonic will keep up with their excellent tradition, my Sony will be on Ebay and I will be in for the new system. My nees are very simple and only concern me: I need progressive footage, I need sharp high quality images for SD DVD, but high resolution to extract high definition frames. For now the Sony gives me hi res frames. Of course my other conditions for switching to Panasonic is decent pricing and regular looks. I don't want something elephant sized like the JVC or some star trek enemy ship looking Canon. I have enough problems with the Sonx DVX because when I film I don't want people to look at the camera. I really would like something smaller and more conservative looking (without the HDV lights presently on the Sony).
 
Wow, did Lebroz call me an idiot?
I just love your manner of thinking. You keep pushing points and then dissproving them yourself. Good work bro.:huh:
 
has anyone seen the press release? i have it in my inbox, but don't know how to send a file to this forum (sorry, newbie here). here's the first paragraph text :

JVC has announced the world’s first professional, affordable high-definition camcorder with true 24p capture and recording. The GY-HD100U employs the full resolution ProHD format.

The GY-HD100U utilizes three newly developed 1/3in. CCD image sensors, each one featuring an array of 1280x720 pixels (approximately 1 megapixel), with micro lenses. In addition, the GY-HD100U provides realtime playback in all major DTV formats, allowing easy conversion of recorded data to other formats without compromising quality.

“This year at NAB, JVC is fulfilling its promise to deliver affordable high-definition products to the professional market,” said Robert Mueller, executive vice president for JVC. “The launch of the GY-HD100U brings professional broadcasters a cost-effective, full resolution progressive camcorder unlike any other broadcast camera in its price range.”

The GY-HD100U is ideal for documentary and news programs, as well as electronic cinematography. The camcorder enables recordings to be transferred to 35mm film with full HD fidelity, without frame rate conversion. Utilizing a user selectable motion filter, this system is designed especially to provide smooth motion at low (24fps and 30fps) frame rates. The GY-HD100U is also designed to deliver spectacular quality SD recordings for those not ready to fully transition to HD.
The camera includes a standard detachable 16x Servo Fujinon lens. Other available lens options include a 13x (3.5mm) wide zoom lens, a wide-angle converter for the standard 16x lens, and an adapter allowing standard 1/2in. lenses to be used on the camera. A patented “focus assist” function exaggerates detail in the viewfinder to facilitate focusing.
A variety of features on this camera make the recording, editing, and archiving process simple. Its MPEG-2 based ProHD recording system records high-definition images on inexpensive MiniDV cassettes. In addition, the GY-HD100U can connect directly to an external hard disc recorder, allowing footage to be edited immediately by eliminating time-consuming transfers.
The GY-HD100U has two XLR audio inputs and records CD-quality digital audio with independent level controls for each channel. The camcorder also features a variety of customizable settings that can be stored on an SD memory card, and loaded into another GY-HD100U when needed."
 
Honestly, I think the JVC will be a more useful camera than the Panasonic. The JVC records more frame rates, has a real lens and outputs uncompressed 24,25,50,60 progressive HD. The only real advantage on he Panasonic is 1080 24p DVCPRO-HD over HDV, but is it also better than uncompressed HD? I doubt it.
 
I'll leave the discussion alone about which being a more useful camera, but I don't see any mention of the JVC capturing 60 frames per second at 720p.

Currently the only camera (outside of box cameras and experimental cameras that go directly do disc... I'm talking about tape-based field aquisition tools) that records 60 frames per second is the Varicam, another fine Panasonic product.

What frame rates does the JVC record? What what I understand, the HDV format does not support 60 frames per second aquisition. Please advise.

brian wells

EDIT: I am aware of the Ikegami EDITCAM that does 120 frames per second. Primarily talking about cameras within my price range, of which so far it appears the HVX200 is the only camera to offer 30-60fps aquisition.
 
I have done extensive research on all available data on the HD100. It seems it does both 60 and 50fps at 720p, but not to tape. In a quik google search I found some info.

" The GY-HD100’s HDTV recording format is selected from 720p/25, 720p/24 and 720p/30 and the 625 PAL recording format from 576i/50 and 576p/25 in either 4:3 or 16:9. From the progressive 720p native recording, the on-board converter provides in real time a further array of signal types from which to choose. These signals are not only delivered in realtime but also free from artefacts. In high definition they are 1080i/50, 1080i/60, 720p/60 & 720p/50 and in standard definition 625 PAL they are 576i/50 in either 4:3 or 16:9."

here's the link for the whole article:

http://www.dvuser.co.uk/Main%20pages/what's%20new%20pages/GY-HD100.html


They are talking about the PAL version which apparently will record NTSC frame rates also. It also says it will cost under 6,000 euros, which is around 7,700 dollars. It seem it might be cheaper than the panasonic too.
 
cool. i guess you just can't record it on-camera. i can live with that. it is really cool news to me you can output 60p to hard drive or other recording system. i did not know the jvc would do that.

thanks,
brian wells
 
Mediacre i was looking around the page you point and they look quite new. I don´t know if they must be trusted, i guess we will know after NAB, but as you say it´s written that the JVC GY-HD100 cam will be under £4,200, like, said Six thousand Euros.

But going around the page (what´s new section, at the end of it) they have another article about the HVX, just looks like random comments from users but they say the AG-HVX200 will be just around £3000. Looks cheaper to me. Again we will have to wait till NAB to get an aproximate price (i hope...)

Anyway, it´s not war between them; they look for different target buyers. Probably what makes the JVC expensive is the lens, and the tape heads. I would buy it if i was interested in shape more than anything else. Then, we still don´t know the Panas quality lens. We may have a surprise too. We just know it will be fixed.

Then we have the comments about the recording formats. Hummm. Makes it interesting with the hard disk option. Just let´s wait till NAB, hear the real facts and then let the argue begin...
 
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