JVC 60p 4K ~$10,000 large sensor interchangeable lens cam - this year?!

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bruceallen

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This kinda got buried in that thread about JVC's fixed-lens $5000 camera...

But halfway through this video, they move to the fun stuff:
http://vimeo.com/34948630

Around $10k for a approx 4/3rds size sensor camera with interchangeable lenses?!?!! Sometime this year!

I have to say, I'm damn impressed! Even if everyone buys that Canon 24p 4K cam... you'd still want this around for slow-mo. 60fps 4K slow-mo on a tiny, lightweight camera with a large sensor is insane! You can't even do that on a Scarlet - it's 60fps 3K... (EDIT - whoops: Scarlet is 48fps 3K, 60fps 2K... while recording to extremely expensive SSDs)

They even have electronic aperture control of Nikon lenses. Though personally I think that if it's a sensor that's around 4/3rds size, it'd be nice if we could fast wide lenses on it - a M43 or E mount would be nice? Probably I'll just stick a Tokina 11-16 on it and be happy though :)

Sounds like they're considering pairing it up with quad HD-SDI. Anyway, whether it's HDMI or HD-SDI... for your greenscreen studio shoots: pair this up with uncompressed or ProRes capture and the quality will be fantastic.

Sticking together 4 separate HD feeds sounds like a bit of a pain - but someone will automate it and I bet it will take a heck of a lot less rendering than my R3Ds do to get full quality.

Hope they put Genlock on it because it would be KILLER for 3D.

I was prepared to wait years for Panasonic to do the same thing!
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthrea...meras-that-suit-shooting-3D-narrative-content

And people thought I was crazy...

OK Panasonic and Sony: your move. Seriously.

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
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JVC and Panasonic are owned by the same company, so expect no less from Pana in the not so distant future. The game is on. I knew it was just a matter of time.
 
hunter richards said:
They need to throw this 4k sensor into their shoulder mount body.
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Now that's an interesting idea! I really like their shoulder design...I just don't know where one would put their right hand, as the handle on ENG cams is on the lens.

And you got to hand it to this companies; they are starting to get the hang of creating hype about their camcorders. They don't even need a working unit. They're throwing non working mock-up prototypes now, and then, sure enough - leave it to us to create hype:)
 
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Their GY-HD101E is one of the best designs I have seen in a camera. The shoulder-pad, view-finder, and headphone were perfectly placed. I picked one up a few years back ex-demo for $3100. I made this video with it over 3 years ago, good camera:

http://vimeo.com/4746422
 
And JVC & Sony are partners from some years ago !
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How do you think Japanese companies became the camera super power they are? All these companies share their technology developments. That is obvious.


That used to be the case, but didn't JVC sell the company off a couple years ago??
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It is still part of the Matsus**ta empire. From our friend Wikipedia:

In December 2006, Matsus**ta entered talks with Kenwood and Cerberus CapitalManagement to sell itsstake in JVC.[SUP][2][/SUP]
In2007, Victor Company of Japan Ltd confirmed a strategic capital alliance withKenwood and SPARKX Investment, resulting in Matsus**ta's holding being reducedto approx 37%.[SUP][3][/SUP]
In2008, Matsus**ta (Panasonic) agreed to spin off the company and merge it withKenwood Electronics, creating JVC Kenwood Holdings, formed on October 1, 2008.[SUP][4]
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John Caballero said:
How do you think Japanese companies became the camera super power they are? All these companies share their technology developments. That is obvious.




It is still part of the Matsus**ta empire. From our friend Wikipedia:

In December 2006, Matsus**ta entered talks with Kenwood and Cerberus CapitalManagement to sell itsstake in JVC.[SUP][2][/SUP]
In2007, Victor Company of Japan Ltd confirmed a strategic capital alliance withKenwood and SPARKX Investment, resulting in Matsus**ta's holding being reducedto approx 37%.[SUP][3][/SUP]
In2008, Matsus**ta (Panasonic) agreed to spin off the company and merge it withKenwood Electronics, creating JVC Kenwood Holdings, formed on October 1, 2008.[SUP][4]
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JVC Kenwood is no longer part of the Panasonic Group (BTW they don't call it Matsushi ta anymore). They did a third-party stock re-allotment January of 2011 and Panasonic now only owns 19.17% of JVC Kenwood, which removes them as a Panasonic Group equity affiliate and makes them an independently operated company.
 
JVC Kenwood is no longer part of the Panasonic Group (BTW they don't call it Matsushi ta anymore). They did a third-party stock re-allotment January of 2011 and Panasonic now only owns 19.17% of JVC Kenwood, which removes them as a Panasonic Group equity affiliate and makes them an independently operated company.
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Oh... what a tangled web we weave! Lol!
 
I'm all for affordable 4K. But I think that the idea of recording four image quadrants to four separate storage units could very quickly become a recipe for disaster. That's four times the likelihood of hardware error, four times the likelihood of software error, and worst of all - four times the likelihood of human error.

I guess being first to an inexpensive party has its prices. I hope this turns out well - it would be a very easy way for 4K to lose what "easy" status it has struggled to gain.
 
I'm all for affordable 4K. But I think that the idea of recording four image quadrants to four separate storage units could very quickly become a recipe for disaster. That's four times the likelihood of hardware error, four times the likelihood of software error, and worst of all - four times the likelihood of human error.
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Yes indeed.
 
I think this could be very, very interesting. Liked that prototype form factor. The JVC guy seemed pretty confident, actually. Its great to see JVC back on their feet doing what they do best, which is to innovate and not be affraid to introduce new products outside of the common denominators. Its obvioulsy not a Scarlet, but should be the true 4K interchangeable camera for the masses. Lets see however what that sensor does, specially in low light with so many pixels- in the end, it will be all about the image quality.
 
Michael Olsen said:
I'm all for affordable 4K. But I think that the idea of recording four image quadrants to four separate storage units could very quickly become a recipe for disaster. That's four times the likelihood of hardware error, four times the likelihood of software error, and worst of all - four times the likelihood of human error.

I guess being first to an inexpensive party has its prices. I hope this turns out well - it would be a very easy way for 4K to lose what "easy" status it has struggled to gain.
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I do agree - XQD or whatever is likely the future.

Though... the workflow isn't that bad at all. How about:

1. Put in four 128gb SDHC cards.
2. Record for the whole day (you have 8 FRIKKING HOURS of record time)
3. Back up at the end of the day

If you want, make a half-way back-up at lunch time. This should happen damn fast since you can read 4 cards in parallel. Then put the same cards back in (don't delete anything - you still have space) and use them for the rest of the day.

Plus since the cards are so cheap, for serious stuff you would just hold use a new card for the next day. Just put each day's set of 4 SDHC cards in the the "don't wipe until we're sure that all of our backup our copies are are good" Pelican case.

I kinda prefer this to R3D workflow... especially since that same 512GB of storage on Scarlet would cost you $6,400 (!!!!!). You can't afford a lot of SSDs - so you'd have to do a lot more of re-formatting and re-using. That seems a tad not as fun to me...

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
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SPZ said:
I think this could be very, very interesting. Liked that prototype form factor. The JVC guy seemed pretty confident, actually. Its great to see JVC back on their feet doing what they do best, which is to innovate and not be affraid to introduce new products outside of the common denominators. Its obvioulsy not a Scarlet, but should be the true 4K interchangeable camera for the masses. Lets see however what that sensor does, specially in low light with so many pixels- in the end, it will be all about the image quality.
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What I find amazing is JVC has now known for a year now that their targeted pro prefers the S35 chip and interchangeable mount, and had both prototypes,
yet they instead CHOOSE release the fixed lens version first?

I'd rather spend $10-15K on the right product than $5K on the wrong product....

hence why I convinced my boss to buy a Scarlet-X instead of waiting around for someone else to come up
with a 4K RAW 12bit S35 camera that meets broadcast spec, whenever everyone else catches up...
 
Mike@AF said:
The Canon C300 is NOT a 4K camera. It's a 1080p camera with a 4K sensor. Big difference.
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Canon has announced a C-series 4K (PhotoJPEG 24fps) DSLR in development, likely coming out in 2012. That's what I'm talking about, not the C300.

J Bellari said:
What I find amazing is JVC has now known for a year now that their targeted pro prefers the S35 chip and interchangeable mount, and had both prototypes,
yet they instead CHOOSE release the fixed lens version first?
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They had the fixed prototype out last year (at Cinegear etc) but not the interchangeable one.

J Bellari said:
I'd rather spend $10-15K on the right product than $5K on the wrong product....
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This thread is not about the $5K cam.

It's about the $10K interchangeable cam (hence the words "~$10,000 large sensor interchangeable lens cam" in the subject!)

J Bellari said:
hence why I convinced my boss to buy a Scarlet-X instead of waiting around for someone else to come up
with a 4K RAW 12bit S35 camera that meets broadcast spec, whenever everyone else catches up...
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Um... "broadcast spec" will very, very likely be 4K @ 60p... and Scarlet-X can only do 60P that at 2K :)

Sure, films may still be 24 (except Hobbit at 48 and Avatar 2 at 60). But "broadcast spec 4K"... 60p, man.

Also, the Scarlet can't output 4K in realtime, so you can't "broadcast" live from it at any frame rate.

Scarlet-X is awesome... but it's not a "4K broadcast spec" camera. Hopefully they will make a module in the future that can realtime debayer at 4K and output HD-SDI 4G or HDMI 1.5 or whatever (HDMI 1.5 looks like it's going to be announced sometime later this year)... but I'm not sure if Scarlet will ever do 4K 60p. That's actually what knocked it out of the running for me.

JVC's camera seems closer to what an eventual 4K broadcast camera will be (once HD-SDI and HDMI catch up and don't require 4 damn cables). Sony's weird "rotated Bayer" sensor looks like it will easily debayer in realtime to 4K so I imagine that they will have a range of cameras with realtime 4K 60fps output... hopefully Panasonic (and eventually Canon) will follow suit in making 4K 60fps broadcast cams. IMHO, >24fps is where you really see the 4K difference. Otherwise, it's mostly a bunch of high-resolution motion blur with the occasional nice-looking landscape shot!

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com
 
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