jan crittenden and focus enhancements interviewed on dvguys.

Awesome. She summed up quite a bit that folks like myself seem to be questioning.
 
What does she mean about "HD to Windows Media 9 onna SD DVD and it looks like HD"?
 
Windows Media 9 and 10 looks great on a computer monitor, when you play it off your computer's DVD player. Its a HD encoding. But what she fails to mention is the fact that you cant just insert a SD DVD into your standalone dvd player connected to your SD tv, and watch. A few DVD's come bundled with this version of a film, notably Terminator 3.
 
ccroo said:
If you have a firestore kinda thing why would you even consider P2?
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Because a hard disk is a mechanical, spinning, noisy thing that can't possibly survive the kind of jostling, vibration, shock, heat, cold, or other issues that a P2 card can. For studio footage it'd be fine, but for run 'n' gun, news, events, etc... not ideal.

And the FireStore costs about as much as a P2 card -- the Firestore-based HD for the JVC HD100 costs $1500. And that version couldn't possibly record the 100-megabit data rate that P2 does -- the current FS-4 is limited to 40 megabits. So we don't know what a 100-megabit FireStore might cost, may be the same, may be a lot more, who knows? But, granted, you're talking about 80gb vs. 8gb, a lot more runtime for the $$$.

A hard disk is bigger, bulkier, slower, less reliable, more prone to failure, and also has the potential for dropped frames (as anyone with dropped frames during NLE capturing can attest)... hard disks have their place, yes. Recording in the camera is not necessarily the right place for them.

The only advantage a hard disk recorder has over a P2 system is cost per minute. Other than that one advantage, P2's got it all over hard disks.

With that said, I still want the *option* to record direct to hard disk! Options are good.
 
I've got a firestore and I think the thing sucks...in the end it's still more comforting to go to tape, but I will be happy when I get my hands on some P2's. No noise and they should be more hardy than disk or tape-based sytems. Long live P2 and price be damned. ;)
 
Paraphrasing the HD-in-3D demo flick at Panasonic's booth in refernce to other disc-based
field aquisition formats, "HardDrives belong on a shelf, not in a camcorder."

Yup, I'm sticking to that line from now on. Couldn't have said it better myself.
 
Don't you have to dump the P2 cards to a computer or hard drive eventually anyway? If I couldn't afford the cards right now is it really risky to record straight to a disk? I love the P2 card idea, but its not in my price range as of yet unfortunately.
 
It's not as risky as some may say, specially that regardless, with P2 you are limited to store your footage in HDDs anyway. Unless you can afford a HD deck, so you can make copies on tape for storage. But if you can afford a HD deck, why would you shoot prosumer HD?
 
The idea is that P2 makes for a better rough-and-tumble medium like inside of a camera.
For archiving, there are really a ton of options including DL tape and HDD's. I'll use HDD's
for editing but am personally undecided on a long term library medium.
 
great, I can't get the file to play with updated versions of QT, WM, Itune,etc.... I don't own an IPOD either....just great, the KISS principle is always an early casulty.
 
thisiswells said:
Paraphrasing the HD-in-3D demo flick at Panasonic's booth in refernce to other disc-based field aquisition formats, "HardDrives belong on a shelf, not in a camcorder."
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I also think bouncing around hard drives is a bad thing. But then I think about the millions of laptops with hard drives out there that seem to take the beating. I would also think a camera would be treated far better than most laptops. At least from how I have seen laptops constantly flung around, bumped, dropped, etc. by users.

I have personally used laptops for years with extensive full time use and no drive problems. Might be luck and that I am aware of certain movements that tend to fry drives, but who knows.

Someday though, there will be no more storage with moving parts. That will be cool.
 
Remember Firestore or anyone could be working on SD Card, Compact Flash etc. systems of their own. All they need to do is hook them up as a raid... this isn't "that" complicated. P2 is simply 4 SD cards in a raid.

So while I agree the best solution is card based as opposed to hard drive I'm not convinced P2 will actually be the solution that becomes most popular. The most popular one will take output from ANY camera and let the user choose what format it's saved as.
 
I haven't had quite as much luck with laptop harddrives, but I'm pretty bad about dropping them, too. I've lost three laptop harddrives in the last seven years, plus a laptop dvd-r drive that stopped ejecting. Of course, I will acknowledge I have been pretty rough with my laptops (IBM ThinkPad, Compaq??, Winbook XT, 13.3" Sony Vaio, 12" Powerbook)

I think the Powerbook has been the best out of all of them. At least this one hasn't come loose, although it went bad exactly 18 months, 2 weeks after it was purchased new from Apple. The other drives, especially with the Winbook, kept coming loose and needed to be taken apart and the cable re-attached. So, I've been pretty happy with them for the most part.. but, just a little leery about taking one out in the field, that's all. Having them secured in a rackspace for editing seems just fine... never had a single drive go bad with proper air circulation/cooling elements and left stationary. I have zero technical knowledge on different types of drives and technologies used to reduce heat without consuming alot of power or any new aparatus to shock proof them.. Maybe there are things I have never heard of. I'm welcome to using harddrives if they can make them small enough, big enough, quiet enough, fast enough, and immune to a reasonable level of abuse. Reasonable to me is dropping it at least once from 3' and it still works fine and will continue to work fine without replacement. I'm only talking about the drive here, not the camera.
 
I should have said, "I'm an irresponsible baffoon with laptops" A family member explained to me that each time a drive experiences shock it partially damages a disc, and the effects of that damage don't tend to show up until months or years later... So, now if something happens to my computer, I backup everything and intend to replace the drive immediately. That's my new plan.
 
thisiswells said:
Reasonable to me is dropping it at least once from 3' and it still works fine and will continue to work fine without replacement. I'm only talking about the drive here, not the camera.
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Ouch!

Yes, my point was that if the drive was in the camera I am sure it would experience much less abuse than one buried in a laptop and therefore be a fairly safe storage device.
 
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