I've seen it in full size 1080 projection!

monday1313 said:
as for me, greenscreening will finally look like it wasn't greenscreened...
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I couldn't agree with you more here. This is one of the aspects of the camera that gets my blood racing. The ability for a much cleaner key in DVCPRO50. I'm actually excited to see which mode works best for keying, considering they are all coming from the same chip. I wonder if compression or pixels makes a bigger difference.
 
deadzone,
which were you most impressed with? The canon was fudged...it will be good in a HD SDI for live broadcasters but for filmmakers and run and gun, the true video shot will not have the same look. The optics did look good though and the movie was good as well but very juttery.

as for panasonic, i think it would be good to commission a very small budget for a filmmaker to create a short for HVX or let someone get early access to a production model to create a sample. In due time, there will be loads of good short demo reels for HVX promotion.
 
I was able to see some XL-H1 footage recorded to HDV as well. The footage looked very good and despite my best efforts I could not make it fudge a frame withs fast motion, at least not in 24F. It did judder, but not much more than the DVX/XL2. No, where the XL-H1 really falls short of the HVX is in dynamic range, highlight roll off and image processing. It seemed too smooth to me, some may like that look but to me it seemed over processed. And it just did not hold as much lattitude as the HVX. That being said if you have to shoot HDV, this is the only way to go.
 
Antoine_Fabi said:
...and lattitude is one of the most important attribute.
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I agree, but more specifically handling of highlights is very important to me. You can grade video so it is very, very similar to film, but a blown highlights is an instant "video flag." If video can cope with highlights as well as film, I would have little reason to ever use film again... actually none.
 
I told you guys the Canon would be the best HDV. They can't afford to screw the pooch on this.

-Nate
 
dj200423 said:
Rush, for zooming you said it was smooth and mechanical, does that mean there is a ramp now? So rather than hard stopping for a zoom, it slows down and then stops?
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Hi dj, I meant using the ring with lever, not using the rocker switch. I shoot a lot of stuff for MTV, including an MTV2 "Makes the Video"for the Ying Yang Twins "Shake" airing Tues, October 4th at 10AM EST/7AM PST. I use the DVX exclusively for all my MTV stuff, because it allows me to mechanically, with no hindrance, snap zoom and hold with a pad (ramp), then focus smoothly and quickly with almost 0 pressure without missing the mark. I use the camera in full manual mode, even in live situations. I have really gotten used to being able to pace my zooms with the live drum beats on the set, and moving from person to person as I zoom in or out. This helps the editor cut to the beat, without having to dig for clips if he doesn't want to. I have tried this with other cameras, and it was just impossible. Too much pressure is needed to zoom and focus, or the focus moves too fast and misses the target, or the machanism is too heavy handed, etc... The DVX is the only camera I can use like that, also due to the proximity of the zoom and focus rings. I was just very happy that it is the same with the HVX, so that now I can offer MTV the same shooting style they've liked from me for 2 years, but with HD or 16:9 DVCPRO50. :thumbsup:
 
Hey Rush, I saw the promotions for that on MTV2, I'll be sure to check it out! I knew that song would get a video after listening to the album.

All these positive reports, and not even 24P yet - I am going to be broke this year! The timing is interesting too, because 1080P, full resolution 1920X1080 plasmas, LCDs, and DLP televisions are being released in more numbers at lower costs as we speak. I'm eyeing some Samsung LCD and DLP televisions myself to use with the AG-HVX200...
 
Yeah I did their last 2 videos too, and boy have they been getting up there.

As far as the HVX, yes that is what I was trying to tell everyone. An analog tape on DVCPROHD (100) from a prototype camera shot in 60i already looks great. I can't imagine a digital file from a production model shot in 24p will look like. Especially when it's not just objects on a table, but real people and settings with Film-style lighting and action. I mean, it's just starting to hit me, that this has been the camera I have been waiting for, for 13 yrs, as a film-maker, the one you buy for peanuts but make sale-able dreams with. One you can put on lower-end jibs and steadicams, stuff into the back corner of a car to get a POV shot, keep the same lightweight support gear like the DVrig, Bogen head, and Small bags, etc... And still get 4:2:2 quality with, with no compromises, and be able to shoot in low-light. Also, you don't have to buy insurance for it because it cost more than your house. I mean people were already doing that with the DVX, this just kicks it up to the next level.
 
Thanks for the response, rush! :)

I'm still curious if the rocker zoom is ramped, Jan?

But yes, It's safe to say I'm jealous of what you do, rush. lol
 
Hey Rush, I didn't know we shoot the same shows. I've shot the "Makiing the Video" series for CMT. I did Rascall Flats and Jimmy Buffet/Martina McBride shows. Also the "Total Access" series Big N Rich.
 
Well put Rush. That's why I'm so excited about this camera. The production value just got the chance to rise to a higher level.

I'm most inspired by the reality that the technology is becoming available to so many people, including myself, that have whinned on and on about not having the tools at there disposal to make good enough product. Well, with the DVX and now, more over the HVX, the time is here. It now really comes down to whether or not you have the creative goods.

I think for a while established filmmakers were concerned that this new technology would flood the market with all this talent, but the reality is still the same....only a few have all the goods together in one place to make it all happen.

I don't know whether or not I have it, but I'm going to take the HVX and what it offers for film transfer and make the best movies I know how, and the technology means that I now have to stop whinning.

Best,

j.
 
Seems like I found a fellow optimist. :)
insanityfw said:
I don't know whether or not I have it, but I'm going to take the HVX and what it offers for film transfer and make the best movies I know how, and the technology means that I now have to stop whinning. Best,

j.
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My friends and I went to resfest to see the hvx and we were unanimously impressed by what we saw. The 1080 projection was amazing.

We ran a few barbaric tests to evaluate the xl and the hvx:

The canon form factor is undeniably sexy. It is kinda heavy ENG style (or we're kinda young and weak) but that's not a problem. It feels like another XL, just a bit heavier. My friends and I lined up to test the lens out-of-box DOF. Thumbs up.

I imagined the HVX as a fat ugly camera, but it isn't. Because of the way the weight is balanced, it just feels right in your hand. You're less concerned with the aesthetics of the camera because you're too busy being WOW'ed by the awesome image on the LCD. I didn't know what that speaker was all about (see pictures from IBC) but I don't see how it can hurt. We lined up at various distances again to test the DOF. Grande thumbs up.

Both cameras had solid images. XLH1 was very filmic and the HVX did not disappoint.

After we went to eat pizza, we came back to test the cameras out in low light. We were fortunate enough to witness a gay/lesbian pride parade so we had some good material to focus on. As a matter of personal preference, I did not like the canon at night. The image of the protestors looked unlike the celluloid reproduction I saw earlier in the day. It was video.

The HVX was very clean in low light. We tried the DOF tests again, and even though some of us were backlit, the HVX produced very crisp highlights on our unintelligible silhouettes.

Overall, both cameras were superb. I'm still getting an HVX because I can't justify the money to go canon and I like the panny better, independent of price. Hopefully someone found this information interesting.
 
evinsky said:
Hey Rush, I didn't know we shoot the same shows. I've shot the "Makiing the Video" series for CMT. I did Rascall Flats and Jimmy Buffet/Martina McBride shows. Also the "Total Access" series Big N Rich.
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Sweet! Aren't those the most fun you can have on a set? :) Especially on the YingYang set, where everyone was very cool and accomodating. The Director of the music video called my producer, and said we were "A pleasure to work with, and very polite, never in the way." Now how often do you hear that? How cool is that director! He said he will phone us for all his upcoming videos. We had a great set vibe. :cheesy:
 
dj200423 said:
I'm still curious if the rocker zoom is ramped, Jan?
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On this camera, I cannot tell as it is not always functioning. The litle guy has been holding up inspite of all of the hand-holding but because it is a hand-built model, not all functions seem to be finished, like a good majority of the menus do not seem to work and zoom is intermittant.

When I finally do know I will answer. DVExpo West will have final cameras, this is in December, but in November we should have full working samples. If you think of it in November, ping me and I will check it out.

Best,

Jan
 
I am going to Resfest today and am really looking forward to seeing the HVX. I will have a writer/director from Australia with me. She will be shooting a feature beginning early next year and is really interested to see the HVX (could end up using it for the behind the scenes / making of).

I have so many questions about the capabilities of the HVX, but it sounds like most of these will have to wait until November or December to be answered. If nothing else, I can just wait until I get mine, but it would be nice to have some advanced information so that I can plan on what the camera can and can't do in some of my upcoming projects.
 
I can answer that... No.
The HVX is an 82mm thread. That is straight from the broshure.
However some matteboxes can be used with different lens diameters depending on the adapter.
This is why 4x4 or 4x5.5 is a good investment.
 
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