C200: It appears the new FCP X 10.4 Update will NOT support Cinema RAW Light integration?

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You'd think if FCP X upcoming was supporting native Cinema RAW Light integration, that would be talked about? Of course, it may be buried in there but Apple and the journalists attending make no mention of Cinema RAW Light support. Hope it's there, just being able to use Resolve 14 or CRD to process CRL is getting to be a drag. We need native support for FCP X and Premiere. So when's it hitting Apple and Adobe?
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The FCP X demo showcased the new features. They don't usually discuss back-end support to camera formats at events like that.

When the new version is ready and if Cinema RAW Light is accepted, it will definitely be in the release notes.

It took FCP X a few months to support XC10's XF-AVC (I know because I had the camera then and was waiting everyday and one day it came!).
 
Yeah, I know. But it's feeling like this might take longer than past format support updates but maybe I am wrong? The real hope is that FCP X and Premiere will "unlock" all of the RAW functionality since in it's current form, CRL is really just like shooting Prores 4:4:4:4 XQ with variable gamma. But after shooting the past few weeks with a RED Weapon 6K and playing with the footage in various apps, CRL support still has a way to go. It kind of feels like "Half RAW" to me.
 
Ya...been saying that on here since day 1. It's a major disappointment in its current form.

To be honest, C200 shooters will be lucky if FCP X ever supports it let alone provide any extended support. If Resolve doesn't have access to all of the RAW settings, I believe no one else will unless Canon updates its own software for people to work in there.

I've also stopped taking things literally as "Cinema RAW Light" can mean anything at this point. Canon can call it whatever they want. As far as we know, it can be an XF-AVC-like format with a slight tweak to allow a white balance change or whatever in its "RAW" software.
 
Man, I'm combing through the many, many articles I read yesterday regarding FCPX 10.4. One of them had a direct quote from Apple execs that 10.4 would support new media formats from the Canon C Line of Cinema cameras and RED. They didn't specifically say Cinema Raw Lite but I think that could be a strong possibility. As soon as I can find the article, I'll post a link here.
 
If you look at the numbers, the Raw Lite is about four times the size of the 1080p RGB 444 on the C300 II.
 
NorBro said:
I've also stopped taking things literally as "Cinema RAW Light" can mean anything at this point. Canon can call it whatever they want. As far as we know, it can be an XF-AVC-like format with a slight tweak to allow a white balance change or whatever in its "RAW" software.
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I asked Loren Simons from Canon about .CRM a while back and wondered if he could clarify. He did some digging and got back with:

Loren Simons said:
I've been poking around and just wanted to get confirmation for what I had always assumed was true, and I did.

Cinema RAW Light is of course a RAW format, and despite being a lighter version of our traditional Cinema RAW, the .CRM file is "undebayered" bayer pattern sensor information. The debayering and subsequent muxing and transcoding happens on the processing end either via our RAW Development software or third party solutions.
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So, let's just hope that we see broadened support across all the usual apps—sooner rather than later. I'm personally expecting pretty deep support for the format, similar to what we can do with Canon's stand alone software.
 
But you can barely do anything with Canon's software now? It needs to be completely overhauled all across the board.
 
If our expectations are wildly different, I'd like to clarify that by "deep support" I essentially mean the possibility to change gamma setting and color space/gamut settings.

What else do you need? Maybe some people would love debayer options like "Half resolution good/premium" like RED offers, but that isn't to be expected.

And any image adjustment settings like color, contrast, highlights, shadow and saturation are completely redundant to me. I'll do that in the grading process.

Personally, I just want all the raw data to be intact and I want to be able to assign the desired base gamma and gamut + perhaps a WB preset, since that is the foundation for image processing to come (ACES, LUTs or general grading etc).
 
I hear you, but that will never work for me.

5 years of Blackmagic and RED...it's all right there in front of you. Just really need it that way.

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Yes.

We'll get the left column in the bottom part (Resolve)—hopefully. Everything else in the mid and right columns is redundant and is handled two tabs to the right.

There is no benefit at all in manipulating exposure or saturation in the "raw settings". But if you feel you need that, I understand your disappointment but I don't think that will be addressed soon.
 
Don't care about Resolve. Just showing BM RAW.

It all needs to be available in FCP X like the RED RAW settings. Period.

That's all I have to say about it otherwise it's useless for me no matter if it's fine for the rest of the planet.
 
NorBro said:
It all needs to be available in FCP X like the RED RAW settings. Period.
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I understand—and that's what we're all expecting will happen soon… as long as we're talking about raw settings that apply to .CRM. But that will be the settings Canon already provide in their own software, right?

I imagine it will look pretty similar to what you want: settings for gamma, color, white balance and so on... most of the settings in your shot are just generic stuff like basic image controls.

Hopefully we'll get it soon. It's already been a while.
 
Why doesn't Canon just tell us upfront what to expect? They were all secretive about the XF-AVC Codec and ended up disappointing everyone. Maybe we'll be disappointed again.

I'm very close to purchasing a C200, but the current lack of support for cinema raw lite in Premiere and FCPX makes it difficult to pull the trigger.
 
If I remember correctly, Canon ended up supplying XF-AVC support for FXP X, but it took a bit of time. Apple almost always releases a product and then allows manufacturers and secondary developers to play catchup. If you are working with Apple products, it is always best to be a late adopter to new equipment or software.
 
Canon is insanely lazy when it comes to software, all their apps feel so antiquated and don't perform as well as they could. At heart, they're a hardware company, and all their software development is focussed on that. I wouldn't panic too hard about whether the RAW Light stuff will get supported in FCPX/Premiere. I expect it will, soon, but it's a shame Canon isn't proactive and implementing the plugins themselves like RED does.
 
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