Issue with Face AF

NorBro said:
That sounds like everything they wouldn't do. LOL

But it also sounds like a great camera.

However...there likely will be no more EF since EF lens discontinuation officially began last year.

Maybe a RF C400 or something (they'd change the name) with DPAF II and XF-AVC since they own it and probably wouldn't pay to license ProRes from Apple for a cheaper camera. (The C700 had ProRes but it was like $30,000 - and it was also a few years back in a different world of cameras. And not to say you need to charge $30K for a camera with ProRes because you of course do not at all and you can charge $1295 for one, but Canon is a different species.)

I guess the above kind of sounds like a C70 II, especially with the affordable media.
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YM Cinema has reported that Canon's CEO has said that the 1DXIII will be the last DSLR. Although his (Canon’s Chairman and CEO Fujio Mitarai) exact phrasing is open for interpretation and leaves a door open, IMO.

https://ymcinema.com/2021/12/28/can...o-mitarai-eos-1d-x-mark-iii-is-our-last-dslr/
 
Yeah, it doesn't make sense anymore, for different reasons.

But I'm surprised about this:

"Canon said that the EOS 1DX Mark III is Canon’s most successful camera to date."

I believe the article, but that's hard to believe (if that makes sense).
 
AF...

When it works, it's great. Amazing. Revolutionary. But you need to know the limitations with each camera, each lens and crucially, each subject and lighting scenario.

I never use AF when I don't have the ability to cut away if it screws up. I certainly never rely on it, but I love it when it works!

You really do need to test, test and test again.
 
It’s a funny thing - I went Af for stills in 1996 with the Nikon f4 - and have known that af only works in certain situations since about a month after that
(typically not backlight - btw losing filters can help)
 
NorBro said:
Yeah, it doesn't make sense anymore, for different reasons.

But I'm surprised about this:

"Canon said that the EOS 1DX Mark III is Canon’s most successful camera to date."

I believe the article, but that's hard to believe (if that makes sense).
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The YM article didn’t have it, or I just didn’t see it there, but I found some other snipits from the interview and Canon’s CEO also said, “Demand for beginner and intermediate SLR cameras is strong overseas, so we plan to continue development and production for the time being." There is also a long thread, started a few days ago, on Canon Rumors about this, and it was said that over 40% of all ILC’s(interchangeable lens cameras) produced this year were DSLR’s. And another great point that was brought up, Canon is going to do what makes Canon money. So, if they feel there is still a profitable market for them, then they’ll continue producing them. Now whether that lasts for another 10 days, 10 months or 10 years, who knows…
 
I don't know where that 40% number came from but there were like 0% DSLRs produced this year...lol.

Sony doesn't even make DSLRs and Panasonic has like 1 camera per year.

Who else would be left? Mostly Canon...

Do you have a link? I'd be interested in seeing that.

People often call mirrorless' DSLRs so if that's the case then totally, and I would think more than 40%.
 
I think the DPAF was Canon's biggest advantage. Quad focus will be even better. I'm not sure what Sony is doing to make their AF work, but I hear it is great.

All that being said, I almost never use continuous AF pn Canon's cameras. I'm surprised that anybody trusts it, even the new DPAF 2. I just really love the manual focus guides that tell me how far off of critical focus I might be. It is surprising to me how many Canon users I have met who never use the focus guides and instead just switch the camera to full time AF. To me, it is actually the manual focus that is improved by DPAF
 
NorBro said:
I don't know where that 40% number came from but there were like 0% DSLRs produced this year...lol.

Sony doesn't even make DSLRs and Panasonic has like 1 camera per year.

Who else would be left? Mostly Canon...

Do you have a link? I'd be interested in seeing that.

People often call mirrorless' DSLRs so if that's the case then totally, and I would think more than 40%.
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I believe they were citing CIPA* numbers. Total numbers for 2021 aren't available, yet, but totals for 2020 are and they listed 5,308,000 total ILC's shipped, with 2,375,000(~45%) being SLR's and 2,933,000(~55%) being Mirrorless. https://www.cipa.jp/stats/documents/common/cr300.pdf

Numbers through October 2021, presuming I'm reading the charts correctly(which I may not be), show 4,471,393 ILC's produced with 1,842,524(~41%) being SLR's and 2,628,869(~59%) being Mirrorless. Shipping percentages appeared to be the same.

*CIPA member companies:
OM Digital Solutions Corp
Carl Zeiss
Canon
Xacti Corp
Sigma
Sony
Nikon
Panasonic
Fuji
Ricoh
 
Oh, shipped...yeah, they still have lots of old models available.

Somehow I read the above as you saying 40% of new cameras were DSLRs (because we were talking about the future of DSLRs).

B&H has a healthy amount of 30 body-only models to choose from (compared to 85 body-only mirrorless').

Because there are so many cheaper DSLR options and because of all of the lenses people have collected and the time it takes for mass amounts of humans to learn new things, I would think those will still be around for another 1-2 years until the full transition to mirrorless' is made.

But as far as making new DSLRs, I believe coincidentally (ironically?) the 1DX Mark III was the last one announced on January 6th, 2020...so almost 2 years without a new DSLR being made, if I am correct.
 
cpreston said:
I think the DPAF was Canon's biggest advantage. Quad focus will be even better. I'm not sure what Sony is doing to make their AF work, but I hear it is great
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First time I hear of Quad Focus? Sounds interesting. Any pointers to where I can read up on it?

cpreston said:
All that being said, I almost never use continuous AF pn Canon's cameras. I'm surprised that anybody trusts it, even the new DPAF 2. I just really love the manual focus guides that tell me how far off of critical focus I might be. It is surprising to me how many Canon users I have met who never use the focus guides and instead just switch the camera to full time AF. To me, it is actually the manual focus that is improved by DPAF
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The Manual Focus Guide is a godsend (especially when paired with manual focus lenses such as CN-E)!
 
DPAF works by detecting contrast horizontally. It will not work on vertical contrast. QPAF will work on vertical as well as horizontal.
 
Z9 has a "Sony style" AF. No DPAF whatsoever. But it works pretty well, going off the available reviews. It has a lot of muscle doing the number crunching.
 
NorBro said:
Oh, shipped...yeah, they still have lots of old models available.

Somehow I read the above as you saying 40% of new cameras were DSLRs (because we were talking about the future of DSLRs).

B&H has a healthy amount of 30 body-only models to choose from (compared to 85 body-only mirrorless').

Because there are so many cheaper DSLR options and because of all of the lenses people have collected and the time it takes for mass amounts of humans to learn new things, I would think those will still be around for another 1-2 years until the full transition to mirrorless' is made.

But as far as making new DSLRs, I believe coincidentally (ironically?) the 1DX Mark III was the last one announced on January 6th, 2020...so almost 2 years without a new DSLR being made, if I am correct.
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The numbers for 2020 were shipped units. The numbers for 2021 were produced units(~41%), but the shipped numbers were similar.
 
Not to keep this going because it doesn't matter, lol - but I'm not sure what produced units means...because there were no new DSLRs in the last 2 years.

If they continued to make older models in the factories and sell them and that's where the production comes from, totally understood.
 
My presumption is simple, it just means that's how many they built. Doesn't matter if it's a brand new, never before seen model or a model introduced four years ago that they're still making.
 
Yeah...and at the end of the day, whether they say 10 units were shipped or 10 million units were shipped, we'll have to take their word for it because we don't have any other choice.
 
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