Is Premiere worthless?

SomewhereinLA said:
I am not saying it's a bad software, just saying it's not used by the pros... Sorry.
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A "Pro" is anyone who gets paid to do the job. There are a lot of videographers who do use Premiere, and make their living using it. Just because they don't make movies, doesn't mean their work is any less important. Premiere is a capable program, fairly intuitive, and a bit quirky at times. So am I, so I will cut it some slack there.

As far as the original post, before the pissing contest started, if you try making gradual changes in your settings, you will find a happy compromise in your export quality. My work just keeps getting better and better, and I've been using premiere since around version 4.5. Eventually, I'll even know what I'm doing ;)
 
ChrisLyon, I don't know what else to say, I gave you the list of all vfx company that worked on the movie doing digital fx (not "by hand") but with software(including compositing), I actually know some of those people at Sony (SPI) and Rhythm & Hues, and you are still telling me I am wrong. Okay, what can I say, I give up, believe whatever you want.LOL... Those other companies do not use after fx, they use shake,flame/inferno, cineon... for the most part, as well as proprietary software. If you want to believe otherwise, be my guest. :beer:

I have work in VFX for movies, commercials, music video, etc... for a very long time, I think I know a thing or two about this business... and I don't ever make claims I can't backup.

When you put a movie together in Post, resources are always limited. They didn't use Avid to digitize so that they wouldn't tie up a much more expensive machine and editor, the avid, for such a simple task as digitizing. It's a current practice. Also it's wrong to say that because you can digitize in it you can edit in it... Digitizing and logging is a fairly easy task usually left to a junior assistant. Editing involve another set of problems/requirements...

I do agree with Capt Quirk, that if you get pay on a job using Premiere as a tool you are a pro. Again, none of my posts said anything bad about Premiere, actually the first editing software I learned, over 15 years ago, was Premiere. My Logic is if you are going to spend a great amount of time learning a software, one is usually better off learning what's popular. If you edit in Premiere, and tomorrow wanted to find a Job in a VFX company, it would be extremely hard with Premiere. It's just the reality of it without any prejudices.

As far as Adobe, I have worked with After fx when it was still owned by Cosa (after fx creators), and learn photoshop when it was vers.1. I still use those tools today. However for high end compositing I use an Inferno, mostly because as great as after fx is, it does have serious limitations such as advanced built in keyers, or advanced trackers. It's rotoscoping tools are not the best, nor are its color grading solutions, to name a few... Which is why after fx or no single compositing software for that matter is ever used 100% on a movie, nor does one company in charge of all vfx, there are alway at least a dozen... (there are other reasons for that as well which have nothing to do with software or hadware). Inferno could do it all, but it wouldn't be cost effective, since a single inferno cost $1/2 mil. not including the cost of an inferno operator which is very expensive as well. The role of the Post production supervisor/producer is to figure out how to best allocate resources. There are a lot os things After fx can do very well, let's give those shots to After fx artists/compositors... And those shots that require, let say, 3d tracking, can be done in shake, at a lower cost. Everything that require more computer power, would go to an Inferno... and so on.

Again, I am not trying to put anyone down that use Premiere, I am just trying to answer the original question. Is Premiere worthless? Probably not... Should c.g eads learn a new editing apps? My answer is : Probably.
 
For what it's worth, I became very pissed off with Premier Pro crashing on my PC last year and made the jump to Final Cut Studio on a Mac Pro. I went through a couple of months of horror and anguish getting my head around the new format, but I came out of it still fairly sane. (emphasis on fairly)

It cost a few Euro to make the change, but I think my work has improved as a result. FC has a lot of good points, and some not so good. It has excellent backup, and you can get top class training pretty easily. Overall I'm glad I did it.

My main point, however is... if you're going to change from PP to another system, don't promise clients (or yourself) a finished product in a hurry... you're going to need to factor in time and patience to re learn and adjust, because it won't all be at your fingertips, and it won't all make sense until you've gotten used to it.
 
Yes, I made the mistake, promising a project by a deadline when I'd never used FCP before, figuring it'd be similar to avid and premiere, which I did know. Boy was I wrong. Just trying to figure out the default mode for how FCP previewed audio alone almost made me go crazy.

In the end, I thought the software was okay. But I didn't see what all the hoopla was about. It had its own little set of quirks and idiosyncrasies. I was happy to go back to Premiere.
 
these type of threads are fueld by DANGER..lol...

it doesnt really matter if HOllywood doesnt use premiere, the software been around for many years and ppl are using it to get the job done. One more time..it doesnt matter how u do it as long as u get the end product.

I know how it feels when u get frustrated cuz **** doesnt work like u want..im sure all of us here have felt the same way at one point or another. Software can be difficult if you are just getting into it..but there is ton of books out there and the help of many forums where ppl can ask for help. But u cant expect to be taken seriously when you go off and start calling the software worthless or shitty...etc...
 
At the end of the day it comes down to what you can afford and what works for you. If Premiere works for you and your system, use premiere. If it doesn't, use something else.

What was the original question?
 
Just the facts ma'am

Just the facts ma'am

Great info after you weed through the personals.
Think im gonna try vegas, havent heard many complaints.
Been using Prem 6.5 and it did everything i needed, but i want to author
DVDs and export and now that we have the 100b we want to try 24p.

I know premiere, but cant decide whether to upgrade prem or switch.
No mac so FC out...but, why the big price diff in PP and Vegas.
What does one offer over the other?
 
Vegas is around $525 on the sony website. But I have seen PP for the same price. John Hudson will tell you about vegas if he sees this thread. What I can tell you is I have used premier pro, made dozens of fantastic productions from it. Have seen some FCP producions, dont see anything there that is very different. I do have a mac G5 now but FCP is so expensive, I may never pick up a copy. Plus there will be a learning curve to it.

I tried the editing program that came with the mac. UUGGHHH! Horrible, and my amd 3800 single processor out performs the rendering from that thing.
Milvid is right. Premier Pro worthless? I dont think so. Is it a step down from other programs? Maybe, but that would not be a large step.

And boy is this thread a crack up. Its like your talking bad about someones family when you refer to their NLE of choice, and they want to send Guido out to break your legs.
 
cg eads... I had many issues myself with exporting, so i asked
and have been told...
File>Export> Movie
General - Quicktime
Video- Compressor : NONE
pixel aspect ratio D1/DV NTSC(0.9)
Square pixels only for fully computer generated graphics.

For compression buy Quicktime Pro, $30 well spent and couldnt be more brainless.
ANY format or compression you want is available.

Sorenson / 3 codec is supposedly great (so many to choose from)
Mp4 for High def vid
H 2.64 excellent QT compression / file size/ vid quality...
but everyone Viewing MUST be upgraded to QT7
H.263 cell phones- didnt know that

a constant bit rate makes for a smaller file
a variable bit rate better but bigger file size/longer download

A great video tutorial website is www.lynda.com she was a master at AE
and started this website with most of your high end graphics+ software

All this tech stuff... always learning. always asking. always changing.
 
Not that this really matters since it's unlikely anybody here will be able to help. But when I tried to export uncompressed, a vague error message comes up about 7/8 of the way through, saying the movie couldn't export.

Man, just when you think you have something figured out...
 
hmm, probably 4 gig. so if I export it in chunks, how would I put it back together? Wouldn't I have to do so back in an editing program (like Premiere), which I would then have to export from again?
 
I think i get that same error when I tried to use QT straight from PP2 on a NTFS format drive.
I render out an uncompressed AVI then bring it either to Procoder or Sorenson Squeeze. I use Procoder for converting to m2v and wav files to bring into Sonic Scenarist for DVD authoring and I use Sorenson for web output. For some reason Procoder doesnt give me good web QT files.
 
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Christopher Barry said:
Did this occur at 2 or 4 gig (forgot max size limit)? I had this happen at a certain file size, so had to export sequence in chunks.
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If he is exporting to a FAT32 Drive, you cant have a File larger than 4GB.
-Zach
 
SomewhereinLA said:
Not trying to put it down, Premiere has existed for at least 15 years, nobody's using it. I just don't understand the point to argue the obvious... Again, if you like it, that what's important, I am not saying it's a bad software, just saying it's not used by the pros... Sorry.
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Heh, I think that's actually one of the problems Adobe has with PP... Adobe Premiere and Adobe Premiere Pro are very different programs, when Adobe changed Premiere, they should have renamed it to something new, so it would not get confused with the old POS program Premiere. Really Premiere Pro is only 4 years old.

I've quite often had FCP and Avid people look at PP 2.0 and had no clue Premiere was completely revamped. I've never used Avid, but for editing, I can't find any real differences between PP 2.0 and FCP, little things here and there, but nothing big.

Then again, it kinda all makes sense, seeing Final Cut was made by the Adobe developers who made the original Premiere... The student becomes the teacher!

And while I'm no expert, my guess is all the good editing systems just come down to the editor. No program makes the cuts for you.
 
okay, so what's the solution then. If you can't export over 4 gig, how do you get the movie out in chunks and put it back together so it can become a quicktime file? I don't have sorenson squeeze. Any other options?

oh, I do have Quicktime Pro.
 
One solution would be to save it to an NTFS formatted drive. NTFS has no limit that I'm aware of - Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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