Mike Harvey
Veteran
Wow.
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Pharpsied... chill. You're entire point, as everyone else took it, was to look down on all the people using it to shoot weddings and skate videos and non-"serious projects", and to whine about the fact that because of that, no one is giving you the "respect" you feel you deserve for your "heavier" projects.
Did it dawn on you that the reason so many people are using this camera for skate videos and weddings and not "heavier" projects is that that's the target market? The HMC150 is almost identical to the HPX170. The only real difference is the media and formats (and a few connectors). The HPX is the more "professional" of the two. The HMC was designed to be geared more to... wait for it... people who shoot weddings and skate videos. Sorry, but that's why it exists. That's not to say that you can't do "heavier" stuff with it... it's more than capable of it... but the people trying to do that sort of thing are more likely to be invested or willing to invest in the P2 workflow. "Heavier" stuff tends to involve more lighting, more audio, etc etc... basically budgets that can afford the costs associated with the HMC's big brother's workflow. That is why you see more of that type of thing in the HPX170/HVX200 section.
This is an amazing camera. I wish I could see more stuff besides skate videos and weddings, because it's such a capable camera. BUT... the fact of the matter is that this, to a large degree, is the market that this camera is marketed to and designed for. It's a bit like walking into Red Robin (or whatever your local equivalent is), and complaining about how few steaks there are. Yeah, they have the capability to cook all sorts of fine meals... but what were you expecting? It's primarily a burger joint, not Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Good, bad... that's just the reality of it.
And as I said in my previous post... I've seen some examples of crap shot with a RED. That's doesn't say anything about the RED, does it? If someone saw something shot by a RED that was mind numbing, are they seriously going to say "That was mind numbing. That was shot with a RED. Therefore, I'm not going to shoot with a RED"? No, of course not. If they did, they're an idiot. Creative camera techniques aren't camera dependent (well... save for shots dependent on depth of field... but that's besides the point). Good stories aren't camera dependent.
And you're going to have to define what "serious projects" are. That's kind of the rub, right there. You see, most people didn't buy it to shoot the next Sundance award winning movie. If you want to make your indie flick or what ever you're wanting to do, go ahead... you know this camera is capable of it. But it's primary target market isn't the folks shooting movies. It's the people using it to shoot training videos and web commercials and weddings and skate videos and church stuff... you know... things that will pay this month's mortgage. How is that any less of a "serious project"?
If you're so concerned about getting "respect" for your "heavier" "serious projects"... then buy an HPX170. This camera is just a tool. No more, no less. Use it how you see fit... but quit your whining about how other people are not using it how you see fit.
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Pharpsied... chill. You're entire point, as everyone else took it, was to look down on all the people using it to shoot weddings and skate videos and non-"serious projects", and to whine about the fact that because of that, no one is giving you the "respect" you feel you deserve for your "heavier" projects.
Did it dawn on you that the reason so many people are using this camera for skate videos and weddings and not "heavier" projects is that that's the target market? The HMC150 is almost identical to the HPX170. The only real difference is the media and formats (and a few connectors). The HPX is the more "professional" of the two. The HMC was designed to be geared more to... wait for it... people who shoot weddings and skate videos. Sorry, but that's why it exists. That's not to say that you can't do "heavier" stuff with it... it's more than capable of it... but the people trying to do that sort of thing are more likely to be invested or willing to invest in the P2 workflow. "Heavier" stuff tends to involve more lighting, more audio, etc etc... basically budgets that can afford the costs associated with the HMC's big brother's workflow. That is why you see more of that type of thing in the HPX170/HVX200 section.
This is an amazing camera. I wish I could see more stuff besides skate videos and weddings, because it's such a capable camera. BUT... the fact of the matter is that this, to a large degree, is the market that this camera is marketed to and designed for. It's a bit like walking into Red Robin (or whatever your local equivalent is), and complaining about how few steaks there are. Yeah, they have the capability to cook all sorts of fine meals... but what were you expecting? It's primarily a burger joint, not Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Good, bad... that's just the reality of it.
You shouldn't feel any need to dig at all. Do people sit around and say "I need to find mentally stimulating examples of an F950 to know how capable the F950 is"? No... because it's a tool. I don't care how mentally stimulating the work is, I just want to know what the picture looks like. The mentally stimulating part is derived from the person using it and is completely independent of the camera.
And as I said in my previous post... I've seen some examples of crap shot with a RED. That's doesn't say anything about the RED, does it? If someone saw something shot by a RED that was mind numbing, are they seriously going to say "That was mind numbing. That was shot with a RED. Therefore, I'm not going to shoot with a RED"? No, of course not. If they did, they're an idiot. Creative camera techniques aren't camera dependent (well... save for shots dependent on depth of field... but that's besides the point). Good stories aren't camera dependent.
Are you so foolish as to say that those people are anything but fools themselves? And who cares what they think? I don't.
And you're going to have to define what "serious projects" are. That's kind of the rub, right there. You see, most people didn't buy it to shoot the next Sundance award winning movie. If you want to make your indie flick or what ever you're wanting to do, go ahead... you know this camera is capable of it. But it's primary target market isn't the folks shooting movies. It's the people using it to shoot training videos and web commercials and weddings and skate videos and church stuff... you know... things that will pay this month's mortgage. How is that any less of a "serious project"?
If you're so concerned about getting "respect" for your "heavier" "serious projects"... then buy an HPX170. This camera is just a tool. No more, no less. Use it how you see fit... but quit your whining about how other people are not using it how you see fit.
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