iPhone 11 Pro

JPNola said:
I've wondered in the past if any DP has shot in a manner that maintains DoF between shots regardless of focal length, altering the f-stop to counter the DoF resulting from focal length. In other words, shoot your wides at f/4 but your tights at f/8 or greater ( smaller ) in order to have the same Dof on a tele-photo shot as on the wides. The same DoF throughout regardless of focal length. This goes against the standard practice of shooting everything at the same stop and letting the DoF fall where it may. Here the aperture would be a slave to the desired DoF rather than the DoF being a slave to the aperture.

Is that last bit making any sense as written?
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I often work that way. With interviews, for example, I do my wide shot around F/2-F/2.8 and do my tight shot on b-cam around F/4-F/5.6.

I never understood the point of maintaining a consistent T-stop throughout a film.
 
That's why it says if applicable in parentheses.

iPhones aren't the only phones in the world.

Nevertheless it's only a matter of time before they get apertures.
 
filmguy123 said:
Guys, there is a sneak peak of the future in this camera. When pro cameras start getting these smart features, the game is really going to change.

iPhone 11 Pro allows MULTI-LENS recording SIMULTANEOUSLY. If anyone missed that, check it out. Very cool. You can record a wide angle and ultra wide angle, or a wide and telephoto, at the same time. You'll get two separate clips saved from the different angles.

Sure, it's mobily-sharpened-electronically stabilized cell phone video. But just talking about the concept/theory here. That is really awesome especially for one-take moments. Imagine being able to get a live event shot in both medium and wide angles.

For practical uses today, this is going to get a lot of use for things like videoing your friends jumping off a cliff into water, snowboarding jumps, or other such things. In the future, this sort of tech is game changing. Imagine for example a 3 lens S35 sony alpha series camera that records all three views simultaneously to 3 separate files on the card. Wow.
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This is pretty incredible especially when we consider that all this is happening from multiple sensors at 4K resolution on a device that costs $1,000. It's a shame Apple isn't partnering with one of the major camera vendors to bring some of this processing power to a truly pro camera.

I wouldn't want to be any company selling point and shoot cameras. I just don't know how they can compete with Apple's economies of scale. Apple can obviously afford to invest much more when when there are billions at stake.
 
Run&Gun said:
Probably gonna get it. I have a X, that I love, and skipped last years 's' upgrade. Do I need it? No. But they're like toys for adults and why work hard if you're not gonna enjoy some of your money/buy things you want(I'm obviously talking about within reason, not running around "spending it like a drunken sailor", as my Mom used to say). But, the new camera module does look pretty darn good. The cameras(both still and video) seem to get better and better every generation and are actually pretty scary how good they. Well, they've been scary good for a while, now.
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Yeah, it is great having a decent p+s camera on hand, and these cellphones are getting closer.
 
The big deal for smartphones is an optical zoom, though having a telephoto as one of the three modules partially ameliorates that need. 12 MPX isn't the state of the art anymore, however.
 
NorBro said:
That's why it says if applicable in parentheses.

iPhones aren't the only phones in the world.

Nevertheless it's only a matter of time before they get apertures.
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No but this particular discussion is about the new iPhone Pro and the multiple cameras. Not sure when it turned into a discussion completely unrelated to what was being discussed.
 
Thomas Smet said:
No but this particular discussion is about the new iPhone Pro and the multiple cameras. Not sure when it turned into a discussion completely unrelated to what was being discussed.
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My initial comment was more or less just a general note...I didn't even quote you (until this post).

Thomas Smet said:
I have equal issue with smartphone cameras outdoors and indoors. Indoors they are practically useless and outdoors they may look good but they tend to use a 1/120th or 1/250th shutter to adjust exposure.
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You wrote smartphone cameras (not iPhone cameras...or strictly iPhone Pro) so I thought that was more open-ended. Also, your point about how the phones work with shutter speed in their original state is correct, but I thought it was worth adding for readers that the SS could be disabled.

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In short, my general response was towards 'smartphone cameras'. If you said 'iPhone cameras', I would have left aperture out of my response and you wouldn't have responded with #22 and I wouldn't have followed up with #23.

Maybe a miscommunication.
 
The biggest issue I have with these new offerings is that frankly they are all too big for my taste. The old iphone SE was the right size to fit in a pocket. 4.8" is max for me. I don't want a mini ipad, I want a telephone. But give me an integrated lens for tight shots and another for medium-wide and I would be happy.
 
As an iPhone 8 user, I only have one question: is the "go back" button still on the top left corner of the screen?
 
Before we get all giddy about the Filmic Pro update and the "Multicam" feature I would point out we can already do this. The Apple camera app even on my iPhone X has the ability to swap between the 1x and 2x cameras while recording video. The updated Apple camera app on the iPhone Pro will have a switch to swap between all three.

The filmic app is not so much Multicam editing as it is a hard stop instant jump alternative to a zoom lens. Filmic Pro is just adding a preview of the different cameras vs the Apple app that has a button to swap between the cameras. Since the camera angle is the same and only a 2x zoom it isn't exactly a mystery what each camera will see and the live preview of each camera is kind of pointless.

Cool use of the technology but really not impressive at all. At least not as impressive as Apple made it out to be. Its a GUI alternative to the Apple camera app and nothing more. Even adding the front camera into the mix is not a big deal at all and some apps already allow us to do this like FaceTime.

Whats impressive is a phone can have an alternative to a 4x zoom lens. 13mm, 26mm and 52mm on a phone is pretty cool but it is no match to a good camera with a good zoom lens. Not to mention I find the 13mm on the iPhone Pro to be a bit too wide and distorted. So I'm really back to the 2 cameras on the iPhone X models. The iPhone 11 removed the telephoto camera in favor of the 13mm ultra wide which means the only way to get the useful telephoto camera is get an older X model phone or the new Pro. Apple seems to be forcing users into the pro model if they still want that telephoto camera.

I don't think Filmic Pro allows recording of each camera. By the look of the app it is clearly acting like a video switcher where you see four camera angles but you have to select the active angle. That likely means it just records a single video and feeds it whatever the active angle is. Exactly like the Apple camera app already does.
 
There are those who will complain about the video/camera features on the iPhone no matter what the features are or what is missing. Then there those who will take these new iPhones and make amazing work product or even art with it. Did any of you watch "High Flying Bird"?
Soderbergh will be all over these new ones. I've related before, I know a National Geographic photographer who 100% completely switched to iPhone shooting for stills, time lapse and video. Oh, and he was a finalist for BBC Wildlife Photographer of the Year with
his iPhone XR.

For me personally, I find the video from my iPhone 8 Plus to be a little rough but usable and we shot several scenes in our Docu Series with it when we either didn't have our "real" cameras with us or when we followed our subjects into places where we couldn't shoot with
real cameras, it comes up a lot in documentary. The computational power combined with the economies of scale with phones mean they are the way of the future for at least lower end work and will eventually seep into medium scale work I am convinced and as we can
see, they are even seeping into high end work like with Soderbergh and a few others. It's incomprehensible for gear heads to think of using an iPhone instead of an XT-3, A7 III or an S1H but that is exactly what will happen fairly soon, the writing is on the wall. Software and computing
power and hopefully larger sensors will eventually solve all of the optical challenges, DOF, there are already ways to address the audio issues. It's coming guys, phones for professional video/digital cinema are almost here!
 
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What are the chances of me NOT getting mugged on the subway if I buy one of these? I'm out... @Dan. How is the Iphone 8 video?
 
scorsesefan said:
What are the chances of me NOT getting mugged on the subway if I buy one of these? I'm out... @Dan. How is the Iphone 8 video?
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Meh. It's oversharpened, super limited dynamic range, can look kind of rough unless you force the camera into it's sweet spot. If you can use Filmic Pro and lighting, you can keep the ISO to 20 which is where it looks decent. 64 starts to look bad and anything past that, it looks pretty rough. These tiny sensors do not
respond well to any gain at all, yet. Any low light looks awful. The FPN reminds of of the terrible FPN on my Mavic Pro footage, which Neat video gets rid of about 80% of it. In bright, (but not too bright) daylight, it can look pretty good. I have the Moment case and 18mm
wide angle which are fun for certain things and the Crane M although I am told by my Nat Geo friend that the internal stabilization is getting really good on the next gen phones, even his XR, he really liked. He does some testing for Apple and
knows Tim Cook so he always gets to beta test and provide feedback. Not sure if they have it on this generation, but he said fully adjustable DOF is coming for video and can even be adjusted after the video is shot! Amazing!
 
Anyone know if the “Soderbergh fix” is implemented in the 11?
 
Eh, call me old fashioned, but I will never want a phone to shoot something for art or money. For candid snapshots to share with my friends, sure. We can all agree that point-and-shoot cameras are on their way out. In fact, I don't know why a single copy of a point-and-shoot camera has been sold in the past decade.

My favorite experience with a camera was for college photography 101, when the professor insisted we get a camera with manual shutter speed, aperture, and focus. My dad gave me his metal SLR, from the 1970s or '80s. Until then I had only used electronic snapshot cameras and prosumer videocameras.

Two things appealed to me:

(1) Clarity of the process, with a decluttering of all the fiddly buttons for automatic and semiautomatic adjustments. It was not until then that it crystallized in my head that there really are only three adjustments: focus, aperture, and shutter speed.

(2) The visceral experience of a good metal camera body and decent sized knobs, the feeling of turning the focus ring on a professional, well-dampened manual-focus lens.

Are there some of you who approach cameras only as tools for your day job? If so, I can understand how you would be pleased by a brain-controlled hovering smartphone that took a 360-degree angle of a scene, and you could fiddle with the framing and depth of field (like those Lytro cameras) to your heart's content in post or better yet let the artificially intelligent editing program select all that for you, some time in the year 2070.

But that process has no appeal to me, and I would still be looking for a simple, Leica-esque videocamera, with manual everything and preferably auto-nothing.

And global shutter. Still waiting...
 
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