Intellytech Litecloth-LC-160 group buy

Interesting. Well if its just a diffusion panel that doesn't increase the size of the source, the amount of diffusion is not always so great. However the nature of the light still does change and usually will appear somewhat softer and the colors will be more muted.
 
I think what that showed me was we are at a point where attention to the LED emitter/lens can allow a softness far beyond what earlier crude LED designs allowed..and that pushes back on the size matters necessity a bit.
I have Rotolight Neos that do the same.
 
Been slowed down by an ankle injury so haven’t put the LC-10 through it’s paces, but from what testing I’ve done I’m relatively sure I’m buying another. Intellytech got the head design right, & it puts out puts out a pretty light. Briefly toyed with getting three more in order to build a 4x4’, but have other priorities right now.

Just received a 20’ head feeder cable that I ordered directly from Intellytech. Was shipped the same day it was ordered, & only took two days to arrive. Would love to see them offer 10’ version in addition the 20’, & 30’. Will probably contact them to see if they can cut custom lengths.

Lastly I’ll be sticking with the Kupo Stand Adapter linked previously. The other I ordered didn’t work out as well.

UPDATE: Just placed an order for another LC-160 through the Group Buy, so only 11 more needed to meet the goal.
 
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The Group Buy exceeded it’s goal today so should be going through. Appears there’s 11 days left if anyone wants to buy in.

Thanks Paul for putting this together!
 
For those of you that ordered 2 lights, you will have the option of getting two single cases or one two light case. Intellytech will be contacting you directly.
 
Congrats on making the quota; Placed an order earlier as well, although the free shipping to U.S. customers is a bit misleading if you're not part of the continental U.S.; Shipping was $47.79 for the cheapest option to Hawaii and I would imagine would be the same or more for buyers in Alaska. I always chuckle at these "Free Shipping to U.S." statements but at least have a disclaimer for those who do not reside within CONUS if they're going to be charged for shipping.
 
Still contemplating buying two more LC-160(s). A shallow bi-color 640W 4x4’ with Eggcrates would cut down on my S60-C rentals, & should be able to fight some windows, plus nicely fill a 6x6’ Frame as needed.
 
My initial impressions:

* the complete kit is heavy. Not unacceptably so, but heavy. Roughly the same size and weight as a 17" Panny monitor in a Pelican case. Around 20lbs.

* the quality of the LC-160's output is familiar to me since I own Brightcast 1x1's. The LC-160 is, for all intents and purposes, 4 Brightcast 1x1's mated together.

* the output, to my eye, is darn bright. Sorry, but I didn't put a light meter to it. The output of the naked LC-160 felt similar to the output of my 400 Joker. But that is apples to oranges being that one is an LED softlight and the other an HMI par. But in the ballpark of each other. It is at least as bright as my Astra 6x. Again, just to my eye and without pulling out a light meter. The Astra being punchy and the LC-160 being broad- it is also apples to oranges. Two different creatures regardless of lumens or foot-candles or lux-es.

* The LC-160's quality of light is similar to that of a Litemat. Not the same smoothness as that of a Litemat, but close. So much so that I consider the LC-160 to be a budget Litemat that has the advantage of being more portable and less bulky in size. What you lose in buttery quality of light is countered by the hard-case ruggedness, the greater portability, and lower price. An On-the-Go Litemat.

* Traveling shooters / anyone who has to fit their entire kit onto a single cart will love the portability and the ruggedness of the kit. One could just check the kit into baggage. You can't do that with a Litemat. You can't do that with a 2x2 Westcott Flex that costs over twice as much as the LC-160 and, if I am not mistaken, doesn't even come with any storage case.

* The LC-160 is a budget light compared to more pricey gear but it doesn't feel cheap, as is the case with some of the super-low cost gear that you see on Amazon. To me everything is on par with Westcott quality. I suspect that the bargain-basement priced LED that someone was suggesting as an alternative would be of a bargain-basement quality. The LC-160 comes across as a light that would cost considerably more than it does.
 
ozmorphasis said:
My guess is that you got that response because you didn't just ask what the output is. You questioned why anyone would spend this much money for this much output when you can buy 3060a fixtures instead. All of the factors that JPNola mentioned are in response to that context - customer service, build quality, etc. You know, the other factors.

There's not only nothing wrong with wanting to know the output, in fact I think it's critical when making a purchase. It has been tested (by Erik) and posted.

Did you already see these on the Intellytech site:

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I asked whether the measurements were made with or without the diffusion on it, without any other comment before I made the one with the FL-3060.
That is all I asked, a very simple question. Still no reply, but that's fine. Erik also doesn't specify either. In the photos it is unclear whether the diffusion is on or off.
As for the intellytech site, again, doesn't say whether it is bare or not. Since most lights are measured bare I have to assume it's bare. Diffusion cuts output by a lot, but people were throwing around crazy numbers so I wanted to seek clarification about it.
Whatever, it's not going to get answered I give up.
 
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LennyLevy said:
Scotch tape,
How do you like those FL-3060s. Do you have the bicolor ? how is the color . I saw it as 85W not 100W BTW , at least that's what it says on Amazon.
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I measured using my watt meter direct from the PS to the actual unit on max. Maybe the PSU takes like 85W then converts it to 50W but that's what I measured.
I have the bicolors. Haven't really used them on a job yet, just have them for when I need to take public transit downtown.

I have used the smaller FL-3030 as a backlight and fill and it works well. Very light! No idea about the actual CRI unfortunately.
 
scotchtape said:
I asked whether the measurements were made with or without the diffusion on it, without any other comment before I made the one with the FL-3060.
That is all I asked, a very simple question. Still no reply, but that's fine. Erik also doesn't specify either. In the photos it is unclear whether the diffusion is on or off.
As for the intellytech site, again, doesn't say whether it is bare or not. Since most lights are measured bare I have to assume it's bare. Diffusion cuts output by a lot, but people were throwing around crazy numbers so I wanted to seek clarification about it.
Whatever, it's not going to get answered I give up.
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In my review, I tested with the diffusion off so bare mat only. I'm shooting a stand up today for my GH5S review and will take readings from 1 meter with the diffusion and with the grid in 5600K and 3200K and post it later today. I have 4 ASTRAS and the LC-160 is my go to key light right now. With the diffusion and grid attached it puts out some nice soft broad light that wraps really nice.
 
Hey Erik - while you're at it -- please also meter at 4500K too... I'm curious if output is higher here in the middle or not... TIA -
and thanks for the helpful review a few posts above - JP :beer:
 
JPNola said:
The LC-160 comes across as a light that would cost considerably more than it does.
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Good review & summary. I’ll add: The LC-160 is a lamp I could hand to Gaffer without pause, or having to show them how to build.

Just pulled the trigger on another pair, so I’ll have four total. The Group Buy is now 140% funded with 42 sold & 9 days remaining.
 
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