Intellytech Litecloth-LC-160 group buy

I was at first a little dubious as well. However I imagine that virtually all of these lights come from Chinese manufacturers but the specs can be designed by whoever orders them. I know this is true for example for saxophones where many of the competing designs are made in the same factories. That is how "cool lights" does it in my understanding. If that's the case Intellytech could be using the same factory as FalconEyes but changing some of the specs and not others. Hence it could be somewhat different electronics in the same package. Same for basic design. Doesn't make economic sense that there would be a lot of different factories making extremely similar panels.
 
I emailed like last week but still no reply from intellytech about the light output measurements.
Does anyone know if the lux output measurements on the site are with the softbox or without?
5K lux @ 1M is pretty impressive WITH softbox but without diffusion it's nothing special.
 
I do think the markup on the Intellytech at $699 is not at all unreasonable given the rest of the market and the likely better build and design. Didn't mean to dispute that. The falconeyes are also just a great deal compared to most of what's on the market (that'd why I have 3 despite some of their downsides) so it would definitely be hard to compete on price but it's not too hard to compete on support and build quality of the panel at least. Just wanted to suggest some healthy skepticism since even if the ballast is redesigned inside, I'm not clear what difference it would make since my issues with it are primarily with the parts that Intellytech shares. Not sure how one would perceive any difference in the internal electronics. The falconeyes don't really go cooler than 5000k and have just a bit of green there but look great at tungsten, so I'd imagine the Intellytech improves on that a bit.
 
nyvz said:
I do think the markup on the Intellytech at $699 is not at all unreasonable given the rest of the market and the likely better build and design. Didn't mean to dispute that. The falconeyes are also just a great deal compared to most of what's on the market (that'd why I have 3 despite some of their downsides) so it would definitely be hard to compete on price but it's not too hard to compete on support and build quality of the panel at least. Just wanted to suggest some healthy skepticism since even if the ballast is redesigned inside, I'm not clear what difference it would make since my issues with it are primarily with the parts that Intellytech shares. Not sure how one would perceive any difference in the internal electronics. The falconeyes don't really go cooler than 5000k and have just a bit of green there but look great at tungsten, so I'd imagine the Intellytech improves on that a bit.
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It must be difficult for LED manufacturers to accurately recreate the lower Kelvin numbers. I'd buy a 2800K-5600K unit over a 3000K -10000K light.
 
After this weekend we hit 53% of our goal and we still have 20 days to go! The faster we hit 30 the sooner these will start shippping.
 
PaulHelling said:
After this weekend we hit 53% of our goal and we still have 20 days to go! The faster we hit 30 the sooner these will start shippping.
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Is 30 just the minimum order to get the group deal or will it also be capped at that many units available?
 
rob norton said:
Any chance of a further discount if even more units are sold? Eg 60 or 100?
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For filmmakers living in Europe & Australia I would suggest calling or emailing that question directly to Tilta/Aaron. I don’t think that the reward price will change but if we hit higher numbers they might work with the international shipping cost. Please keep in mind I do not work for the company but I do keep in contact with them.
 
scotchtape said:
Without softbox that would be a pretty weak light, 2x FL-3060 WITH diffusion gets 3Klux @ 1M and it's only 100W and total $300 ($150 each)...
I don't know why anyone would pay $700 if it only puts out 3,000 lux bare.
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Why? Because there is more to a light than just level of output. Color-rendering, build quality, the spacing of the LED's and the protective coating on the LED's or lack thereof, customer service quality of the seller, etc.

There is such a thing as a LED panel's output being too great. You end up having to dim it down to 20% or add diffusion / bobbinette ( which few possess and keep as part of their kit ). If using the LC-160 as a key light for a single-subject interview, you are ideally going to have it placed as close to the subject as the framing allows, usually 4ft or less. The output of the LC-160 is plenty enough, even with diffusion and fabric grid, for today's sensors...shooting at 2000 ISO and at a f/2.8 if not f/2 or f/1.5. If you are wanting to light a room or have a light as an area light, this isn't the light for that. At least not as I see it. This is primarily a light for keying interviews where you want a largish source that will work close to the subject. I have my 6x Astra for when I need punch. And if that won't get me there I'll break out my 400w or 800w Joker HMI. Or rent an s60 Skypanel from my buddy who lives nearby me. :happy:

Your point is noted and appreciated. But I think it is a mistake to put great emphasis on any lux-per-dollar equation and base your acquisitions largely off that spec. And also a bit of bad form to come storming in to take a pisser on the OP's attempt to put together a group-buy. Not that such was your deliberate intent. Your inquiry as to why any interest in the LC-160 is a legitimate question.
 
Light output is an important factor for me when choosing a light. Not sure why you are discounting it.

Lasts week, I asked a reviewer on YT and emailed Intellytech requesting more info on the lux measurements.
No reply from either.

Am I crazy for wanting to know how much light this puts out and compare it to my current lights?

On my last few shoots I've been using a 4ft octa relatively close to talent and the Aputure 300D.
Previous to this I was using some Aputure 672S panels through umbrella.
I've been struggling with getting good output so that's why I'm asking because I get the occasional client that insists on shooting with windows.
You can't compete with sunlight but you can at least not completely blow out highlights and get some shadow detail with the right lights.

I'm assuming you have a large budget for lights, this isn't the case for all of us. Us small time guys are just trying to maximize our small resources...
Not sure why it's seemingly impossible to get a straight answer on one of the most basic and important measurements of a light and why I'm "crazy" to want to know...
 
Where are you located? I’m in LA and I’d be happy to show the light to anyone with questions about its worthiness. I’m going to be at Tilta in Burbank on Monday to have them see if they can smooth out the operation of my Nucleus M. If anyone wants to meet up there I’ll have two LC-160’s with me to show around noon. I’m also free on Sunday this weekend. After Monday I have NBA All Star shoots through Saturday.
 
Received the LiteCloth LC-160 yesterday afternoon. Was in the midst of a shoot & haven’t had time to properly test yet.

Initial impressions are positive. It’s quicker to setup than a single Aladdin Bi-Flex 1x2’ panel with Softbox & Fabric-Grid/Egg-Crate. The build of the panel is nice, but the cable connectors, & especially the controller, are not up to Alladin’s standards. That said the Aladdin(s) cost me $2500/each, so some corner cutting is expected. Would like to have seen a head extension cable included in the Kit, & suggest ordering one for each lamp.

Was glad to see a MERF Stand can support the light, but does cause the stand to bow a bit. While it appears the AC adapter attached to A/B battery plate worked well enough in Erik’s tests, I ordered a V-Mount version for work overseas, & wouldn’t suggest supporting the AC Brick from the V-Mount. Actually not sure I’d suggest ever attaching the AC Brick to Controller as it puts a lot of weight on the Controller’s hanger, & am currently testing attaching the Brick to the stand with a Tether Tools’ StrapMoore.

https://www.tethertools.com/product/strapmoore/

Seems a pair of LC-160, along with MERF stands, will likely fit into the carry-on suitcase I linked previously, so I’ll probably be down for purchasing another. Will know for sure after spending a bit more time with it.
 
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Light output is an important factor for me when choosing a light. Not sure why you are discounting it.

Lasts week, I asked a reviewer on YT and emailed Intellytech requesting more info on the lux measurements.
No reply from either.

Am I crazy for wanting to know how much light this puts out and compare it to my current lights?

On my last few shoots I've been using a 4ft octa relatively close to talent and the Aputure 300D.
Previous to this I was using some Aputure 672S panels through umbrella.
I've been struggling with getting good output so that's why I'm asking because I get the occasional client that insists on shooting with windows.
You can't compete with sunlight but you can at least not completely blow out highlights and get some shadow detail with the right lights.

I'm assuming you have a large budget for lights, this isn't the case for all of us. Us small time guys are just trying to maximize our small resources...
Not sure why it's seemingly impossible to get a straight answer on one of the most basic and important measurements of a light and why I'm "crazy" to want to know...
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My guess is that you got that response because you didn't just ask what the output is. You questioned why anyone would spend this much money for this much output when you can buy 3060a fixtures instead. All of the factors that JPNola mentioned are in response to that context - customer service, build quality, etc. You know, the other factors.

There's not only nothing wrong with wanting to know the output, in fact I think it's critical when making a purchase. It has been tested (by Erik) and posted.

Did you already see these on the Intellytech site:

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https://www.intellytechusa.com/coll...irlight/products/litecloth-lc-160-led-mat-kit
 
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