Lucas didn't want Harrison Ford for Raiders. He was very resistant to the idea of it and auditioned several actors before basically conceding to Spielberg on Ford.
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karapetkov
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How stupid could that be, Ford is genetically designed for this role. 
Have you ever seen the screen test for Tom Selleck with Karen Allen? It looks strangely like a scene from Magnum P.I., which, of course, was the *only* reason we didn't have a Tom Selleck as Indiana Jones.
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karapetkov
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Batutta
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It's on the special edition DVD Box set, Bonus Materials disc. You can see a piece of it about a minute in on this video--
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=4716416
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MattinSTL
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We saw this last night... at my favorite local theater... best seating... perfect evening... my girlfriend loved it... rating 9 out of 10.
I, on the other hand, was basically stunned... just stunned... speechless until now. I'd give it about a 5 out of 10. Worth seeing? Yeah... but the dynamic between Roeper and that other guy (on At the Movies) summed it up more accurately then I could have guessed.
The "not-Ebert" guy says "skip it" and Roeper says "hey just because the first one was a homer, the second a triple, the third a double... and this one is just a solid single... you can't say it's a bad movie"... but I'd have to argue that maybe you can.
Raiders is probably my all-time favorite movie... it's up there anyway, and this was such a bummer. It's like waiting all season to see your favorite home-run king get up to bat... and the pitcher walks him... and people say "hey it's still a man on base."
I think Lucas is cinematic poison... the alien may as well have been Jar-Jar Binks. There were just too many CG absurdities... down to the very end... and I was amazed at the lack of originality to the script. There have been few sequels, good or bad, which so blatantly used the original skeleton as the framework. Once this comes out on DVD it would be fun to intercut bits from the original, and you will see just how seamlessly you could pop between stories... but the one thing you won't be able to ignore his how much more fun you're having when it's footage from the 27 YEAR OLD original!
In my opinion there's just no excuse for that.
I, on the other hand, was basically stunned... just stunned... speechless until now. I'd give it about a 5 out of 10. Worth seeing? Yeah... but the dynamic between Roeper and that other guy (on At the Movies) summed it up more accurately then I could have guessed.
The "not-Ebert" guy says "skip it" and Roeper says "hey just because the first one was a homer, the second a triple, the third a double... and this one is just a solid single... you can't say it's a bad movie"... but I'd have to argue that maybe you can.
Raiders is probably my all-time favorite movie... it's up there anyway, and this was such a bummer. It's like waiting all season to see your favorite home-run king get up to bat... and the pitcher walks him... and people say "hey it's still a man on base."
I think Lucas is cinematic poison... the alien may as well have been Jar-Jar Binks. There were just too many CG absurdities... down to the very end... and I was amazed at the lack of originality to the script. There have been few sequels, good or bad, which so blatantly used the original skeleton as the framework. Once this comes out on DVD it would be fun to intercut bits from the original, and you will see just how seamlessly you could pop between stories... but the one thing you won't be able to ignore his how much more fun you're having when it's footage from the 27 YEAR OLD original!
In my opinion there's just no excuse for that.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
These are the docs that made want to direct in the first place. Awesome.
karapetkov
Well-known member
Haha, I went to watch it again and I liked it better this time.
This is some good popcorn, guys, we shouldn't dig so deep into it, IMO.
I hadn't gone to a digital projection since The Island, which sucked and I never really bothered for digital afterwards.
Now, I wanted to see Indy4 in digital and compare with the 35mm projection I saw the first time.
Well, digital 2K projection is pretty good, I'd say, but still not as good as 35mm. Maybe 4K will be closer.
It was really clean and actually too clean, which made it look kinda video-ish.
I missed the grain... maybe one generation from now, people won't care about grain cause they would have grown up with digital, but I... I like grain... fine grain. And also the film-motion.
The 35mm copy appeared to have also more resolution and looked sharper overall.
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Otherwise,.. I don't know.. maybe I'm being sentimental, but... I walked out of the theater with a smile on my face.
There is a certain feeling that only a Spielberg movie can create...
And yes... nothing beats the theater.
P.S.
Tam-da-da-taaam... ta-da-daaam.... ta-da-da-taam... ta-da-da-da-dam...
This is some good popcorn, guys, we shouldn't dig so deep into it, IMO.
I hadn't gone to a digital projection since The Island, which sucked and I never really bothered for digital afterwards.
Now, I wanted to see Indy4 in digital and compare with the 35mm projection I saw the first time.
Well, digital 2K projection is pretty good, I'd say, but still not as good as 35mm. Maybe 4K will be closer.
It was really clean and actually too clean, which made it look kinda video-ish.
I missed the grain... maybe one generation from now, people won't care about grain cause they would have grown up with digital, but I... I like grain... fine grain. And also the film-motion.
The 35mm copy appeared to have also more resolution and looked sharper overall.
...
Otherwise,.. I don't know.. maybe I'm being sentimental, but... I walked out of the theater with a smile on my face.
There is a certain feeling that only a Spielberg movie can create...
And yes... nothing beats the theater.
P.S.
Tam-da-da-taaam... ta-da-daaam.... ta-da-da-taam... ta-da-da-da-dam...
karapetkov
Well-known member
Omg.
So.. a-ah,..
.. well, it seems that Mr. Ford is pretty fond of the Indy character... and who could blame him: "If Steven Spielberg and George Lucas tried to replace me, first I'd tell them to go f*ck themselves. Then I'd kill them!"
Unlike Sean Connery, for example, who hated James Bond and wanted to get away from him.
MattinSTL
Sound Modulator
So it didn't bug you guys that so many of the scenes appeared to be shot on a "too perfectly lit" set? Did anybody notice that practically the whole thing was ADR? It sounded very "canned" in my local theater... and then, as I was saying before... it was DRIPPING with CG. I clicked that link and it shows the real spiders, real snakes, real rats... and all the real set pieces... that made the previous adventures so incredible.
I'll bet this one fades long before the original. The archeologist that we really need is one who can unearth Spielberg's lost passion to blow us away... and not cut so many corners with the Lucas "show everything" attitude towards CG.
The end scene in the latest Indy adventure is virtually a carbon copy of the end scene in the original, but the ghosts in the original were frightening, as was the consequence of releasing them.
I'll bet this one fades long before the original. The archeologist that we really need is one who can unearth Spielberg's lost passion to blow us away... and not cut so many corners with the Lucas "show everything" attitude towards CG.
The end scene in the latest Indy adventure is virtually a carbon copy of the end scene in the original, but the ghosts in the original were frightening, as was the consequence of releasing them.
Didn't care for the white diffusion on everything, and there was too much CGI. (Part of the fun of the others is the low-budget look and classic ILM FX.)
About 300 stupid things happened in the first 15 minutes, and they must have shot all that first, because Ford had clearly forgotten how to act (he got better later).
Marion didn't seem to have a whole lot to do other than be there.
That said, it kept me entertained. I thought it was better than "Temple of Doom." Nice references to the "Young Indian Jones Chronicles," AND some references to "Young Sherlock Holmes."
But yeah, Spielberg hasn't done the "wow" thing for quite a while now.
(And, oddly enough, watching this reminded me of how much the end of War of the Worlds blew chunks. Don't know why.)
About 300 stupid things happened in the first 15 minutes, and they must have shot all that first, because Ford had clearly forgotten how to act (he got better later).
Marion didn't seem to have a whole lot to do other than be there.
That said, it kept me entertained. I thought it was better than "Temple of Doom." Nice references to the "Young Indian Jones Chronicles," AND some references to "Young Sherlock Holmes."
But yeah, Spielberg hasn't done the "wow" thing for quite a while now.
(And, oddly enough, watching this reminded me of how much the end of War of the Worlds blew chunks. Don't know why.)
Jared Meyer
Veteran
Ugh. Me neither. Is that Spielberg's "Magic Bullet" or what? How long has he been doing that? I think I first noticed it in Minority Report...
Batutta
Major Contributor
That's Janusz Kaminski with his "special filtres". He was just wrong for the film. Your average episode of Lost has a more realistic and Indy-like look to it.
Well, it could also be a little bit of disguise for some actors who were showing their age.
karapetkov
Well-known member
You bet.
CGI sucks big time. Not only in this movie.
For example, I liked the puppet Yoda much better than the CG one. And so on...
Jared Meyer
Veteran
Gotcha. It's odd that a DP would tackle every single project with the same pet techniques. Blooming highlights are nice...once in a while. It worked for me in Minority Report...Was kind of distracting in War of the Worlds, and then just got irritating in Crystal Skull.
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
hm. see I'd disagree about that...
I liked the CG Yoda a lot (just now watching the prequels again, back to back)
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Better than puppet Yoda Bricey ? Say it aint so Joe !
Brandon Rice
Distributed Producer
Let me explain... NOT better than the puppet Yoda in Empire, but better than the puppet Yoda in Phantom Menace.