im very confused.

i tested mine after i uploaded figuring i was the man and did it right... of course it didnt letter box like it should have. Im going to have to upload a new version tonight.
 
i have a huge problem....when i export in FCP there are black flash frames between each cut. could it be because i captured it accidentally at 30 fps? any suggestions?
 
Well I encoded from Premiere Pro using the "NTSC Progressive 4x3 7MB CBR High Quality 1-pass" preset. There ARE no high quality 16:9 presets.
 
NBCshooter said:
Well I encoded from Premiere Pro using the "NTSC Progressive 4x3 7MB CBR High Quality 1-pass" preset. There ARE no high quality 16:9 presets.
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Well, I "exported to DVD" since no other option allowed me to make a high quality MPG file. The DVD-R plays fine on a TV, 4:3 with black bars on top and bottom. But when I explore the directory of the DVD (not a data DVD), I can only see a 225MB ".VOB" file. NOW WHAT? Since I only own Adobe Premiere Pro, I do NOT seem to have any way to encode a plain vanilla .MPG file. What do I do?
 
Try renaming the file to .mpg See if it will play in a media player (whatever you'd usually play MPEGs in) like that. Hopefully, it will. And if the sound has not been AC-3 encoded, it should be there, too.
 
wait so is letter box accepted or not? (sorry for this one, isaw the other threads but need a definitive answer)
 
JimtheJib said:
wait so is letter box accepted or not? (sorry for this one, isaw the other threads but need a definitive answer)
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You're supposed to submit a 16:9 file. What I'm not clear on is for those of us who have shot simple, unsqueezed 4:3 with a letterbox matte, the pixel aspect ratio is standard DV 0.9. I don't know if we're supposed to "zoom" our matted 4:3 footage and magify it to fill a 16:9 raster or not. I don't know what pixel aspect ratio we're supposed to use if we are in fact expected to do that. I don't know how to do this because I NEVER zoom my 4:3 letterboxed footage up to fill a 16:9 raster. And Premiere Pro is very limited in this area. Why is no one answering this question?
 
Barry confirmed in another thread to me that those of us who shot letterbox should submit 16:9 Anamorphic - meaning yes, you have to stretch it.

There's a cool free program I found (that I dug and dug for) called Meta Streamclip -- http://www.alfanet.it/squared5/mpegstreamclip.html -- that you can do this with. If you have Final Cut Pro, Compressor will do it also. You essentially have to crop the black bars out and resize the video to 720x480.

I uploaded 150 megs worth of footage to a friend of mine out of state with FCP and we compared results. At least from our limited test, Meta Streamclip did a better job -- though I'll say my friend admits he's no Compressor expert.

You could also do it in your NLE by opening a new sequence (or timeline) and bringing your whole movie into a 16:9 Anamorphic project... then crop out the black bars and resize the whole thing up by about 133%. I did this in Final Cut Express myself, but there was more quality loss than with Meta Streamclip.

Good luck! If you need any tips with the Meta Streamclip program feel free to ask... I only started learning it yesterday (LOL) -- but it's very user friendly. You'll basically bring in your uncompressed movie, select the second 720x480 option (the one that doesn't say "unscaled"), check off the box for better resizing, 100% quality, and crop top by 54 and bottom by 54. It'll all make more sense when you see the options in front of you... just be sure to select the right codec and options for that codec.
 
I only own ADOBE PREMIERE PRO 1.5 on a WINDOWS XP PC. So we are CONVERTING our native 0.9 standard DV pixel aspect ratio to 1.2? Is that correct?
 
For zombiefest, I sent in a 4:3 letterboxed (no squeeze) with a standard DV pixel aspect ratio of 0.9 and it played correctly both on DVXUSER's web download and on the replicated DVD. Did Jarred manipulate my .AVI file somehow for zombiefest, or was the file just fine as was submitted, with a 0.9 pixel aspect ratio and the black bars at the top and bopttom of the essentially standard 4:3 frame? Should I just do the same thing on this contest?
 
NBCshooter said:
I only own ADOBE PREMIERE PRO 1.5 on a WINDOWS XP PC. So we are CONVERTING our native 0.9 standard DV pixel aspect ratio to 1.2? Is that correct?
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Dude, I totally feel your pain and am trying to help ya out. I don't do editing on a PC, so bare with me.

Can you export out as an AVI?
Can you bring that AVI back into Premiere -- set your project at 16:9 anamorphic -- and bring the AVI clip into the timeline.
It should look like your footage is letterboxed and also pillar boxed (from the side).

Now scale it up about 133% (until the video, minus black bars all around, fills the screen) and render.

That's how I similarly accomplished it in Final Cut Express. The results weren't GREAT... there might be a free windows app out there that does similar to MPEG Streamclip that does a better job, but I don't know.
 
Oh, duh. I finally figured out how to encode right from Adobe Premiere Pro to a high bitrate MPEG file (it was hidden in a drop-down menu). BUT, I'm still confused about zooming my video to 16:9.
 
EditPhish said:
Can you export out as an AVI?
Can you bring that AVI back into Premiere -- set your project at 16:9 anamorphic -- and bring the AVI clip into the timeline.
It should look like your footage is letterboxed and also pillar boxed (from the side).

Now scale it up about 133% (until the video, minus black bars all around, fills the screen) and render.
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Thanks, I appreciate your effort. I tried that. But something wasn't right and I had no idea what was wrong. I don't know how you get 0.9 pixels to look right in a 1.2 pixel aspect ratio format (16:9). I guess the 133% zoom would cure that. I'll try it again after my encode on the 4:3 file finishes. Thanks again!
 
NBCshooter said:
I don't know how you get 0.9 pixels to look right in a 1.2 pixel aspect ratio format (16:9).
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The letterboxed 4:3 (minus the bars) is 16:9

The pixel aspect ratio doesn't really matter (bad way of putting it). Think of it this way: when you save out a still image to the computer, it changes the PAR (or, at least, the "shape" of the pixels) and still looks right.

Saving out a de-letterboxed image as anamorphic just tells the computer to adjust the ratio so that the (now) 16:9 fits into a 720x480 box. When it's played back, the player unsqueezes it back to what it was.
 
I know you're only trying to help, but . . .

GenJerDan said:
The pixel aspect ratio doesn't really matter (bad way of putting it). Think of it this way: when you save out a still image to the computer, it changes the PAR (or, at least, the "shape" of the pixels) and still looks right.
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Not if you don't tell Photoshop to change the pixel aspect ratio.

GenJerDan said:
Saving out a de-letterboxed image as anamorphic just tells the computer to adjust the ratio so that the (now) 16:9 fits into a 720x480 box. When it's played back, the player unsqueezes it back to what it was.
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Yeah, if Adobe Premiere "knows" how to do this correctly. And if I "know" how to rescale the image by 133%. How do you do that in Premiere Pro? Using camera zoom trial by error (they use an arbitrary scale, not percentage)? Maybe I'm just too stupid to do this.
 
EditPhish said:
Dude, I totally feel your pain and am trying to help ya out. I don't do editing on a PC, so bare with me.

Can you export out as an AVI?
Can you bring that AVI back into Premiere -- set your project at 16:9 anamorphic -- and bring the AVI clip into the timeline.
It should look like your footage is letterboxed and also pillar boxed (from the side).

Now scale it up about 133% (until the video, minus black bars all around, fills the screen) and render.

That's how I similarly accomplished it in Final Cut Express. The results weren't GREAT... there might be a free windows app out there that does similar to MPEG Streamclip that does a better job, but I don't know.
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Okay, I did exactly as you said (but in Premiere Pro 1.5).

1. Exported as a 0.9 DV 4:3 AVI.
2. Created a new widescreen 24PA project in Premiere.
3. Placed the AVI in the timeline.
4. This resulted in a timeline image that has black bars at top, bottom and sides.
5. But since the SOURCE pixel aspect ratio is STILL 0.9, and I'm now in a 1.2 pixel aspect ratio timeline, the images looks SQUEEZED.

So, do I need to EXPORT the AVI as a widescreen file? How do I UNSQUEEZE?

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OHHHHH. I think I get it now. It's NOT squeezed in my Premiere preview window. It IS squeezed on my 4:3 TV. But it looks UNSQUEEZED when I put my 4:3 TV in 16:9 mode! Now, I just have to figure out how to zoom exactly 133% in Premiere.
 
Okay, NOW here;s the problem . . .

Can't "zoom" 133% in Premiere. I can "zoom" in Transform/Camera View/Zoom by changing the default value of '10' to a number less than ten, but the vertical columns still crop the sides of the image. MAYBE PREMIERE CAN'T DO THIS!
 
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