I'm not seeing the comparison

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Altus_Libera

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Not wanting to troll, so I thought I'd post this speculation in the Sony forum.

Personally, I'm not seeing the comparison or competition for the Sony line and what's upcoming (F5/55, etc). Price point and specs of the Sonys from top to bottom just seem to be crushing the other developers. Panasonic, Canon, et al.

Are there still people having trouble coming to terms with players like Canon being out done by Sony? Or am I missing something. It seems like, with the exception of some really inexpensive DSLRs from other developers, right now and for the next couple years, Sony is kind of crushing it.
 
I'm an F3 owner, and am probably biased in favor of Sony products, but tech specs aren't everything. Plenty of people are already invested in Canon glass, which makes a Canon AI mount camera attractive. Plenty of people are invested in RED's modular system, and the EPIC and F55 aren't a 1:1 match on specs - there are things the EPIC is better at, and the RED community is betting on the Dragon sensor upgrade providing even more performance.

Time will tell. We don't have hard US pricing yet, nor do we have a firm release date, nor do we know when the firmware will fully enable all features. The F3 had a staggered feature release.

Arri & Panasonic are tightlipped about what they'll release next, and the Alexa is a serious workhorse, and workflows have already been developed around it.

There's a place for the F5 and F55 at the table, but specs alone won't crush the competition.
 
Specs don't tell the whole story. Many cinematographers I know won't touch a Sony due to the "video look".

Not my opinion, but I've heard it enough to know it's widespread.
 
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Specs don't tell the whole story. Many cinematographers I know won't touch a Sony due to the "video look".

Not my opinion, but I've heard it enough to know it's widespread.
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The F3 without S-Log certainly suffers from this. I have DP peers who were less than impressed with the F3 before S-Log got out summer of 2011. By then the damage was already done though, I think.
 
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Idiotic statement. We should all be using iphones to shoot based on that logic.

Some of those cinematographers I'm talking about here have ASC after their name, so I don't take their opinions lightly.
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I know many cinematographers who will only shoot on RED and say it is the best, so I guess that is true as well.

Talk about idiotic statements...
 
I beleive what was originally being discussed is that even if a camera can be declared 'superior' based on objective technical criteria does not alone mean it will 'crush' other cameras on the market - as there are subjective factors at play as well.

That said - cameras are tools, and no one tool on the market is perfectly suited for every job. And every craftsman has his own preferred toolkit.
 
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To say its "widespread" is rather assuming.
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The opinion is widespread among those I associate with, that is simply true. That's all I said.

Draw your own conclusions about who I associate with and the validity of their opinions, fine, but I'll keep listening to them.
 
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So can you back it up with some specifics, or perhaps articles where some might have written about it and gotten into more specifics? Some of us might be curious to know what aspects specifically were found to be issues, dislikes, etc..

Genuinely curious.
 
Hard to say anything to those who have already made up their minds. So, if the thread is merely about those who don't like the Sony look and who choose not to look at the F5/F55 because of that, I wish them well.

We can now return to more productive discussion.

Ned
 
nsoltz said:
Hard to say anything to those who have already made up their minds. So, if the thread is merely about those who don't like the Sony look and who choose not to look at the F5/F55 because of that, I wish them well.

We can now return to more productive discussion.

Ned
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+1

This was going to be an interesting thread until the highjacking started
 
people believe what they want to believe. Sony does not have a "video look" you just need to be a good DP. Done. Nothing I have shot ever looked remotely close to "video" in fact I intercut F3 footage with Alexa footage with ease, and there was no "video look" about it. There was maybe a slight drop in apparent sharpness, but with your logic im sure you'd somehow say that sharper is a more video look... then you'd be calling the Alexa footage looking like video...

Some people just dont like things, they just see what they wanna see, or were told. A TON of people like RED footage... I own RED and I don't even like it that much. You see what you wanna see. Everything is subjective, but to say its widespread is ridiculous. I never heard that and I've been around for a while.

Also tell that to the countless TV and films that have been shot with the f35 over many many years, including HUGE hollywood blockbusters.... Sony is the top 3, so video look, I think not.
 
Altus_Libera said:
Not wanting to troll, so I thought I'd post this speculation in the Sony forum.

Personally, I'm not seeing the comparison or competition for the Sony line and what's upcoming (F5/55, etc). Price point and specs of the Sonys from top to bottom just seem to be crushing the other developers. Panasonic, Canon, et al.

Are there still people having trouble coming to terms with players like Canon being out done by Sony? Or am I missing something. It seems like, with the exception of some really inexpensive DSLRs from other developers, right now and for the next couple years, Sony is kind of crushing it.
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I think Canon is doing really well on both the video and DSLR front, and the fact they make glass I would say definitely helps them. I know a lot of guys who would only buy a Canon video camera so they could use their Canon lense collection, whereas I own a Canon DSLR and several EOS lenses but would rather use Nikon or rented PL glass for my 35mm video camera needs.

What has really surprised me to be honest is how quiet Panasonic has been. The AF100 was big news back in the summer of 2010 and although they seemed to do quite well with it the only recent news I'm aware of is the announcement of the AF105 - still micro 4/3 but now available in 10-bit! Wow 10-bit! Where is the line up for that!? I'm just surprised they haven't come out with a 35mm sensor video camera yet.

RED's recent price drops also seem interesting but I still can't convince myself that Canon or Sony are even concerned about RED in terms of competition, but could it be RED is concerned about them? Maybe.
 
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Sony is kind of crushing it.
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Some would say that Blackmagic Cinema Camera is kind of crushing it.

(Let's not turn this into a versus thread. I don't want to have to read about the "crop factor" one more time...)

My point is simply that who is crushing it seems to change from month to month so it's no use making grand gestures on who is king.
 
The new Panasonic model is the AG-AF105A - "AG-AF105" refers to the original 8-bit Japanese model.

Also, as far as I know the AG-AF105A has only been released in Japan. It's not currently available in the states.
 
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(Let's not turn this into a versus thread. I don't want to have to read about the "crop factor" one more time.)
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Oh man that was me, but seriously how can you put shooting so much crop in the same category as super35? :(

Nevermind, Nevermind....
 
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