Ikonoskop RAW DII 1st Camera Delivered!

They are not shipping/delivering. They made ONE(!) camera after 3 years of promising delivery several times
and they say the want to bolt together 5 more in December. If you have the camera ready, why not ramp up production
to deliver, before their 60-70 preorder customers change their mind?

That camera looks like an ergonomic nightmare in my book. Even worse than a DSLR.
I can´t see it used without a big rig and a monitor, unless you are in the artsy Dogma or Blairwitch department,
where the audience tolerates super shaky out of focus.

I´m also pretty unexcited about that "faces" clip. Looks like a HVX with the sharpness turned all the way up.
Gama curve looks to be close to the Cine-V setting.

This is some footy from 12th November - http://www.ikonoskop.com/blog/new-a-cam-dll-footage4/
Check out the pink blown out highlights. Looks like there is still some homework to do on the propper implementation of the chip and curves.

Frank
 
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Frank,

I was curious about that magenta highlight too, but look at the other vid, the steenbeck http://vimeo.com/17083865
There are shots there with very shiny highlights of the steenbeck and they seem to be "normal" looking blooms and clipping without the magenta on the outdoor highlights. Hhhmmm. I wondered if the error is in their white balance? I'm a technical noob on this things.
 
I've read previously that there was clipping to magenta, but I don't know how true that it, also a technical noob. I read also that the magenta shift was a problem at the sensor level...

... I'd overconcentrate my color developer about 25% to fix that (oh wait it's digital) ...

But seriously, bot the first time I've read about the magenta highlights, still I don't think it's an ergonomic 'nightmare' on the contrary. I like that the form is being revamped over and over. I liked the dslrs precisely for their form factor. Ok it's shaky with the canons, but the minute you have a viewfinder, it gets way steadier. I just like the concept behind the camera, and it doesn't hurt to have fresh eyes/minds behind an idea.
 
After years of developing steadycams, dollys, cranes, motion control rigs, tripods, fluid heads andwhatnot, we nailed the camera in every possible situation.
Now that we have achieved that, we gonna trow it over board and go shaky hand held without any motivation in the scene/story.

Well, to each his own - I hate any shaky camera, but that´s just me.

Frank
 
Have you tried this camera, postmaster?

If not, maybe you should wait and see how it handles before spreading misinformation.

What makes you think that this could not be used on said dolly, crane etc? People are using DSLRs to make features, for crying out loud. This camera seems to have far better film making ergonomics than a DSLR.
 
Ian-T said:
Hmmm... I hear you Hunter. But I specifically remember their debut a couple of years back with this (or a camera like this)...
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Its been delayed so many times they SHOULD have made another camera by now, but yeah, its the same one, its just actually shipping now. I had a few on preorder when they announced it back then.
 
hunter richards said:
Its been delayed so many times they SHOULD have made another camera by now, but yeah, its the same one, its just actually shipping now. I had a few on preorder when they announced it back then.
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Oh I see. I lost focus on this camera and had no idea they were so back logged.
 
I looked at the ergonomics.
Believe it or not, some people are left eyed, for them having the VF where it is makes it a PITA.
Dave
 
I rather like the footage, I can't really notice any of the magenta problem either. Also, I am super interested to see how the black and white camera performs. Should be very interesting.
 
I looked at the ergonomics.
Believe it or not, some people are left eyed, for them having the VF where it is makes it a PITA.
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Unless they also think backwards and shoot over their shoulder!?

It does look interesting and I quite like what I've seen so far. I would imagine they've got their work cut out just producing enough cameras to catch up with pre orders, but maybe next year will see a few more of these out there.
 
stockfuel said:
Have you tried this camera, postmaster?

If not, maybe you should wait and see how it handles before spreading misinformation.

... People are using DSLRs to make features, for crying out loud..
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After more than 20 years behind the camera, I don´t have to try it, to predict it will be shaky without a rig.
It is obviously to small, to light and to short. To get a steady picture you need mass, wight, balance.

I can even say that you will get problems with your neck, because of the awkward angle of the viewfinder.

And yeah, those DSLR feature films used a rig, a tripod or something else or they are shaky.

Furthermore I would like you to show me how you pull focus on that brick without a proper rail system and a FF or be shaky.

Frank
 
@ Postmaster
I think we all should accept that the cameras/tools are becoming more affordable, smaller and open to mass markets.
DOF/filmic look is not the turf of 35mm film anymore.
the guy/gal who comprehend these new development and reflects to his/her work will become distinguished from the one who just grabbed a 5D/Af100..or whatever

just don't hate the equipment. he/she doesn't have feelings :P
 
Berk said:
just don't hate the equipment. he/she doesn't have feelings :P
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LOL! I don't have any emotional relation to my tools. Did you ever really "hated" a Hammer or a jigsaw?
I´m brand agnostic. I usually pick the tool that does the job.

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
After more than 20 years behind the camera, I don´t have to try it, to predict it will be shaky without a rig.
It is obviously to small, to light and to short. To get a steady picture you need mass, wight, balance.

I can even say that you will get problems with your neck, because of the awkward angle of the viewfinder.

And yeah, those DSLR feature films used a rig, a tripod or something else or they are shaky.

Furthermore I would like you to show me how you pull focus on that brick without a proper rail system and a FF or be shaky.

Frank
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The thing has tripod screw threads.
And you can always make a small camera bigger.
But you can't make a big camera smaller.

(From someone with not quite 20 years (about 15) behind many different cameras ;) Although I'm having the same question about neck strain given the placement of the view finder.
 
You guys have some valid points (good and bad) about this camera. But in the end....if this thing produces the spectacular images like I think it could then I can work around the ergonomic issues. Coming from using DSLRs for video in the last year this should be a cakewalk.

But I digress.. the form is FUGLY!!
 
Postmaster said:
After more than 20 years behind the camera, I don´t have to try it, to predict it will be shaky without a rig.
It is obviously to small, to light and to short. To get a steady picture you need mass, wight, balance.

I can even say that you will get problems with your neck, because of the awkward angle of the viewfinder.

And yeah, those DSLR feature films used a rig, a tripod or something else or they are shaky.

Furthermore I would like you to show me how you pull focus on that brick without a proper rail system and a FF or be shaky.

Frank
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Aah but its a CCD - Global!

Bring the shake!
 
combatentropy said:
The thing has tripod screw threads.
And you can always make a small camera bigger.
But you can't make a big camera smaller.
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Of course you can mount it on something, that´s what I said in my first post.
The point is, you HAVE to mount it to something (at least a shoulder rig) or be shaky.

What I can´t hear anymore is guys that come to me and say:

"Look how small and light it is, now I can make a blockbuster without any other gear.
Just waiving the camera around will do the trick. "

Frank
 
Postmaster said:
Of course you can mount it on something, that´s what I said in my first post.
The point is, you HAVE to mount it to something (at least a shoulder rig) or be shaky.
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But that's true of any camera.

I think this camera looks better for handheld than most, because of how close you can hold it to your head:

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