IBC 2016 Sigma Cinema Lenses

I think that depends more on the camera. The 18-35 and 50 ART were flawless on the 7D Mark II in my experience.
 
NorBro said:
I think that depends more on the camera. The 18-35 and 50 ART were flawless on the 7D Mark II in my experience.
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Canon, being the largest global lens manufacturer as well, will probably respond this this Sigma move by modding their own photo glass to similar cine standards and price points.
 
They supposedly sell 1 million lenses a month, and probably don't care...but I'll certainly welcome it!
 
I wish Sigma would throw in a few affordable 2x anamorphics. Or at least an anamorphic adapter.
 
Liam Hall said:
They have already done that.
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CN-E are $5,000+ for a prime and $20,000+ for a zoom?

Compared to the expected ~ $3,000 for a prime and ~ $5,000-$8,000 for a zoom?

I wouldn't call that an even-steven. There's room for Canon to go with a much lower line. In fact, its 18-80 T4.4 $5,300 is the direction I am thinking of.

Edit : Sony's new zoom is lower in ability than Sigma but its price range - $3,000-$4,000, presumably - makes it a strong alternative in its weight class. Sigma, by agreement, won't be dipping that low and will have a different aim in mind too.
 
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This is great, because Sigma did it the right way: they have an entire line-up of cinema lenses designed and ready to go. Their optics quality, and reasonable price, have been great for a long time so let's hope that the 'Sigma' price applies to these as well. The focus throw isn't great however, probably good enough for use with a wireless handset, but I'd have preferred 240+ degs. Maybe it has to do with their overall size.

DLD said:
CN-E are $5,000+ for a prime and $20,000+ for a zoom?
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DLD said:
Compared to the expected ~ $3,000 for a prime and ~ $5,000-$8,000 for a zoom?

I wouldn't call that an even-steven. There's room for Canon to go with a much lower line. In fact, its 18-80 T4.4 $5,300 is the direction I am thinking of.

Edit : Sony's new zoom is lower in ability than Sigma but its price range - $3,000-$4,000, presumably - makes it a strong alternative in its weight class. Sigma, by agreement, won't be dipping that low and will have a different aim in mind too.
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Canon's cine zooms are all ground up PL designs, which probably makes them much more expensive. Sigma's lucky that all their R&D has been paid for, basically, through the stills sales so they can post a more reasonable price. I doubt the zooms will be completely parfocal though.
 
IanTheM said:
T The focus throw isn't great however, probably good enough for use with a wireless handset, but I'd have preferred 240+ degs. Maybe it has to do with their overall size.
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Yep, I noticed that in the pictures of the Sigma line. Looks to be 360 degree. Like you I'd rather 240 degrees or even 180 degrees. I may have to invest in a geared follow focus. At least the travel on the iris looks to be healthy. That was always one hesitation I had about the rehoused lenses- most of them have a very short iris throw. You even breathe on that iris ring and your exposure changes by a full stop.
 
DLD said:
CN-E are $5,000+ for a prime and $20,000+ for a zoom?
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Yes, those are Canon's price points for their EF glass in cine clothing. The expensive zooms are unique designs.

Canon targeted Zeiss at the time of launch (Compact Primes and Zooms) and left the door open for Samyang to enter Xeen at their own price point. I'm hoping, and expecting frankly, that Sigma will enter at <$3000 to for a prime.
 
AndreeOnline said:
... Canon targeted Zeiss at the time of launch (Compact Primes and Zooms) and left the door open for Samyang to enter Xeen at their own price point. I'm hoping, and expecting frankly, that Sigma will enter at <$3000 to for a prime.
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XEEN's are in the $2,500 range per piece, albeit slightly discounted when purchased as a set.

I'll speculate that Sigma will split the difference between XEEN and Canon/Zeiss primes and will be offered at around $3,500 per prime and around $7,000 per zoom. And zooms will be their big seller.
 
DLD said:
XEEN's are in the $2,500 range per piece, albeit slightly discounted when purchased as a set.

I'll speculate that Sigma will split the difference between XEEN and Canon/Zeiss primes and will be offered at around $3,500 per prime and around $7,000 per zoom. And zooms will be their big seller.
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The GL optics Cinevised versions are under $5K so Sigma will have to compete with their own lenses in Cinema form unless the Sigma version is vastly superior to justify a $2-3K price increase.
 
DLD said:
Canon, being the largest global lens manufacturer as well, will probably respond this this Sigma move by modding their own photo glass to similar cine standards and price points.
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Canon's CN-E primes and Zooms are new designs including different coatings, different number of elements and groups as well as mechanics. The CN-E primes are individually priced slightly less or slightly more than 5K each. With the development of CN-E 18-80 with IS, Canon expects us to move to better quality cine like quality with image stabilisation than the EF mount still lenses. That is also around 5K.

I always prefer value for money over cheap. So if some company is simply modding its still glass, and charging me way too high a price then I would not be so keen. Not everyone can take modded stills glass to sets and make money. The Sigma Art series have got a good fan following. So may be Sigma can cash in on it. However, I feel AF is the future - whether it is Dual Pixel AF of Canon or some form of electronically controlling the focus. RED's EF only mount for RAVEN is the step in that direction. Also, with increased resolution, except the very best focus pullers others will have a hard time. So the cinema lens game will change. However, it will be a bottom up movement.
 
FrameFarmMedia said:
The GL optics Cinevised versions are under $5K so Sigma will have to compete with their own lenses in Cinema form unless the Sigma version is vastly superior to justify a $2-3K price increase.
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There are ways to limit the GL output or hike their wholesale costs. Sigma may or may not be willing to do so but, IMO, most people will pay an extra $2,000 for an OEM zoom, especially if it has superior mechanical components and/or QC.

NorBro said:
Xeens have been priced at $2,195 for a few months now.
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I checked with B&H before posting and they seem to range from $2,200 to $2,500.

indiawilds said:
... However, I feel AF is the future - whether it is Dual Pixel AF of Canon or some form of electronically controlling the focus. RED's EF only mount for RAVEN is the step in that direction. Also, with increased resolution, except the very best focus pullers others will have a hard time. So the cinema lens game will change. However, it will be a bottom up movement.
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I posted on this earlier. Someone, i.e., everyone, will have to agree on a universal electronic mount. Otherwise, the lens manufacturer will have to partner up with the electronics manufacturers and that could result in a bunch of different mounts, very much like the current consumer side of the biz with the EF, F, E, MFT, M, etc., options loitering the production set. There several problems with the universal mount too, among them is the VHS vs. Beta format war.
 
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