PaPa
Major Contributor
Guess I'll have to wait for the Samurai. The PIX 220 and 240 seems like another good run for the money. Going to have to do a little more investigating. It's too early to see comparisons out there.
I was looking at the Ninja till i saw this video.
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Guess I'll have to wait for the Samurai. The PIX 220 and 240 seems like another good run for the money. Going to have to do a little more investigating. It's too early to see comparisons out there.
TheReverend
Well-known member
This test is a perfect example of what ProRes offers versus AVCHD. There is a distinct lack of macroblocking in higher motion scenes. That being said, in full motion it is VERY difficult to tell a large difference. Of course with CC and other filtering, macroblocking can become a major issue. Your mileage may vary.
That being said, how much value does that add? It really depends how important your material is. The monitoring from the Ninja gives alot, the ProResHQ is a slightly higher quality, and the redundancy is beyond value.
On the other hand if you don't have budget, you'll get by just fine with SD cards and AVCHD.
GrandLunar
Active member
Hey no worries, I knew what you meant from the beginning. I was never flogging the ninja either, I was doing a feature earlier this summer and we were mulling over the options of doing an external recorder, obviously we were on a budget, I was just praising avchd for looking extremely good even when it's blown up to the big screen.
Personally, I'm waiting for the atomos samurai...
Hey Dave - since you're commenting in this thread, I was wondering if you could speak to the comments on the Ninja on the B&H product page:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/759453-REG/ATOMOS_ATOMNJA001_ATOMNJA001_Ninja_Video_Hard.html
There seem to be issues recording 24p from several cameras. Is this the case? One reviewer goes so far as to say it doesn't support 24p at all.
Also, do you know anything about the "sound issue" the last review is talking about?
Lastly, what are the mounting options? (to attach to the AF100's handle, or 15" LWS rails behind the camera)? Do you guys sell mounting kits/accessories?
Want to straighten this all out before I pull the trigger on a Ninja or Samurai.
Thanks!
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/759453-REG/ATOMOS_ATOMNJA001_ATOMNJA001_Ninja_Video_Hard.html
There seem to be issues recording 24p from several cameras. Is this the case? One reviewer goes so far as to say it doesn't support 24p at all.
Also, do you know anything about the "sound issue" the last review is talking about?
Lastly, what are the mounting options? (to attach to the AF100's handle, or 15" LWS rails behind the camera)? Do you guys sell mounting kits/accessories?
Want to straighten this all out before I pull the trigger on a Ninja or Samurai.
Thanks!
pistolwhip
New member
I'm also looking into a ninja and was wondering if you by chance have a link to a step by step workflow on the 24p pull down so I can decide if it's worth the extra workflow.
bgundu
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pistolwhip
New member
Sorry, mac.
EDIT: also what's the return policy if I'm not happy with it?
EDIT: also what's the return policy if I'm not happy with it?
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Mitch Gross
Veteran
Try under- or over-exposing some and then timing back. Then you'll start really seeing the difference.
bgundu
Veteran
Reverse telecine is a fairly straight forward process. You can do it within FCP or use Cinema Tools. A google will reveal quick tutorials online.
David Shapton
Well-known member
I'm a little sorry I started this thread, I'm not trying to bash this product at all! I'm very excited about the Ninja and especially the Samurai! The closest competition is three times the price. I was just puzzled buy the strange aliasing on the thorns in the blow up. I'v decided it's brob something wrong with his setup.
There's probably something wrong with the test or the way it was scaled. You can take the section with the 1x footage and scale it up to see for yourself.
David Shapton
Well-known member
No problem. It's actually very hard to make objective image quality comparisons, especially through the "fog" of web-delivery compression.
Dave Shapton
Atomos
Sparky874
Well-known member
The Ninja's quality is awesome and it's so easy to use - solid too. I have it attached to my AF101 with a Noga arm and it doesn't move a muscle. I am really impressed by it - presentations great to with a lovely case, two batteries etc - you won't really get much better for money. Here's a freeze frame I just took from it:
pistolwhip
New member
So if I capture from HDMI out at 1080i60, hit reverse telecine, I will get 24p footage...? It seamed like it just removed the interlace making it 1080p60fps or 30fps? Then after that do I just drop the 30 or 60 fps into my 24p timeline and I have 24p footage without rendering more than normal assuming all codecs are the same? Or do I wanna make it 24p prior to editing first? Sorry to keep on this I would just rather know the entire workflow before a big purchase rather than getting into something I can't explain to my editor.
Granted, CS5.5 does a good job importing ProRes footage, and works seamlessly without transcoding. The problem is that there's no way to render ProRes back to disk on Windows, making intermediate renders problematic. Any plans to support DNxHD in future revs or products?
macgregor
Veteran
Why is the ninja footage way noisier?
Well it' s hard to judge from vimeo, but probably because it preserves more of the signal . You would see this effect even more, if you record uncompressed.
Both fine detail and noise are dropped by the worse MPEG2 compression .
The prores capture is probably preserving all the fine detail and grain, and when vimeo processes it, the end result is what you see as "noisier"
While you can selectively denoise in post, you cannot recover details that were never recorded by the MPEG2 compression