I need audio of "all right, hands up!" or "Hey brother, can ya spare a dime?"

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I need audio of "all right, hands up!" or "Hey brother, can ya spare a dime?"

I'm putting something together for my friends wedding and I'd like to add some audio of something like "Hey brother can ya spare a dime" or "all right, hands up!" from some vintage films. Looking for something with real character. The cornier the better. It's going to be at the beginning of some songs that will start the "money dance" at the reception.

It would be cool if the clips were already on youtube, etc. so I could just record the audio from the computer. Any ideas? I'd like a few different clips so I can string them together.

Thanks.
 
Just so you know, pirating copyrighted material for any reason, even if you aren't making money off it, is illegal. Just because it's "already on YouTube" doesn't give you any permission or rights to record the audio and use it in your project.

There are, however, a few great resources for movies that are in the Public Domain. I'm sure you can find something there that will be useful.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_in_the_public_domain_in_the_United_States

http://www.openflix.com/

http://pdmdb.org/
 
Mandatory legal disclaimer.

Using any copyrighted material in this fashion is not legal ,just a FYI.

So assuming you have secured rights...

YouTube, you can search who knows???
Internet Archive has a LOT of films and videos that are as far as they know in the public domain. There is a ton if stuff there and a large amount of it is vintage.

Since you are looking for sound only you may want to search old radio shows. Many films were also done in a capsulated way on radio often with some of the same stars. Because they were condensed you get more of the "memorable" lines in a short hunk of time.

Also there are lots of money references on Jack Benny shows since his character was a huge cheapskate. Also Bob Hope has some $ references, Charley Mcarthy was always trying to get his allowance raised and running scams. Bing Crosby had a fair number of rich jokes.
Shows like GangBusters and Dragnet have a lot of campy bad-guy dialog and most of the serials that were aimed at kids are pretty over the top.

On the web you should search for OTR (Old Time Radio) which has become the designator for this stuff. You can probably find a fair amount on line and there are quite a few places selling compilation CDs. The best quality is going to be MP3 versions from small outfits and user groups. The over all quality has vastly improved as collectors digitized their recordings and as they circulated the better versions of shows ended up getting swapped in for crappy copies. A lot of the "commercial" versions are from old not too good copies that they managed to get their hands on a decade or two ago and have never updated.

All of the radio stuff is in a grey area on copyright since basically none of it was and it has been treated as PD. One company has tried to argue ownership of some shows but it's pretty shaky since they cant show a transfer from a clear copyright owner.

And lastly you can (with permission) rip the sound off DVD's. The last only is practical if you know a film that is going to have the lines you want in the first place. Again serials from the 40's are probably your best "campy" bet and a bunch of those are on the Internet Archive. And a much better bet since the chance of getting permission is close to zero.
 
Isn't it "legal" when it's only heared inside the house ? So not broadcasted or not put on the internet ?

And when it's more then 20 years old...it could be legal ????

I don't know the american law and I do know that american are very very very very very very very sensitive to obay to law...But I think sometimes
you have to dare to take a "risk"....
 
dre83 said:
Isn't it "legal" when it's only heared inside the house ? So not broadcasted or not put on the internet ?

And when it's more then 20 years old...it could be legal ????

I don't know the american law and I do know that american are very very very very very very very sensitive to obay to law...But I think sometimes
you have to dare to take a "risk"....
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When you make a video of someone's wedding, add music, and give them a copy, you are distributing that copy of the music. It doesn't matter where it's played, if it's broadcast or not, even whether you charge money or do it for free. Distributing a copy to a third party is illegal, period. As for the age, 20 years isn't anywhee near long enough - the magic date is 1923 ... anything published before that date is out of copyright and legal to use BUT that only apples to the sheet music. If the music was published later than that date it would very likely still be in copyright. Recordings of songs have a different copyright with different rules than does the sheet music of the song. Virtually any recording you find is going to be copyright in its own right.

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime was written in 1931, copyright by Yip Harburg and Jay Gorney, published by Next Decade Entertainment. You'd need permission from them to use it, plus Harburg updated the lyrics in the 70's and that version laso carrys its own copyright. And as I said, any recording you find also has its own copyright inedependent of that on the music itself

Lots of different songs titled "Hands Up", don't which you mean.
 
dre83 said:
ok, but ...to be honnest, who cares ?

I don't think the army will do an atack with 554464684 tanks and 5468646 jets ???

It's also possible to record it yourself, or have a few people to record it with...then you're 100% save...

But...even if a copy is given.... I don't think the "checking every weddingvideo to be sure no sound or music is used illegally instancy" already exists ?
Even the existing instancy who's checking out illegal use of sound and music is not going to amuse themselfs with weddingvideos ?
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But you never know. Heard tell of a couple who were showing their wedding video, containing unlicensed popular music, at a party after they returned from their honeymoon. One of their guests brought a date who just happened to be an intellectual property attorney employed by the label that had released one particular song on the video. Guess who had a cease and desist order hand delivered by a process server the very next morning..
 
Just FYI, DVXUser does not advocate illegal/unlicensed/unauthorized use of copyrighted material for any reason whatsoever. It is just that: illegal/unlicensed/unauthorized. That's a risk that no one should take, aside from the fact that it is terribly unfair to the original author/copyright holder.

If you have any other questions, please refer to the Forum Guidelines announcement, conveniently located at the top of every forum.

http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/announcement.php?f=29
 
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David Jimerson said:
It's life plus 70 years, just as it is in every Bern Convention country, which is most of the world.
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Maybe he meant where he is its life plus 20. Here, in Canada (part of Bern Convention), its life plus 50... Either way what Alex said is right. Even if you don't get caught I don't support it. Also you cannot record a cover and distribute, it is not legal without permission. You can record a similar sounding song to a point which will be fine and much more rewarding to you and more awesome to hear for your friends wedding.
 
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I ment own recordings, composed by yourself or dialogues written by yourself and not taken from protected stuff....
 
dre83 said:
I ment own recordings, composed by yourself or dialogues written by yourself and not taken from protected stuff....
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If you composed and recorded it, you already own the copyright so there's no issue ... you can use it where ever for what ever you want. But note, if someone else wrote the song you need their permission to distribute it, even if you've recorded yourself performing it. The music copyright is on the actual words and melody, independent of the copyright of any specific recordings of it.
 
Though the copyright issue with music is important, the original question was about using dialog from films.

The copyright issue is still relevant in that case but, again, public domain films can be a great resource.
 
There is an area of copyright use applicable here for sampling. If memory serves correct you can use up to three seconds of a song and constitutes fair use. In Newton v. Diamond and Others 349 F.3d 591 (9th Cir. 2003) the US Appeals Court held that the use of the looped sample of a flute did not constitute copyright infringement as the core of the song itself had not been used. The Wiki has the whole story on its pages.

There is a NOFX song with an actor saying, "Brother, can you spare any change?" It's a slippery slope, but if it's used in parody or you can prove fair use, you should be able to get away with it without breaking the law.
 
WhiteMonkey said:
There is an area of copyright use applicable here for sampling. If memory serves correct you can use up to three seconds of a song and constitutes fair use. In Newton v. Diamond and Others 349 F.3d 591 (9th Cir. 2003) the US Appeals Court held that the use of the looped sample of a flute did not constitute copyright infringement as the core of the song itself had not been used. The Wiki has the whole story on its pages.

There is a NOFX song with an actor saying, "Brother, can you spare any change?" It's a slippery slope, but if it's used in parody or you can prove fair use, you should be able to get away with it without breaking the law.
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Yeesh we released a monster!

There is no minimum amount of time that is allowable. The BEATLES lost on 9 notes.

Fair Use is a defense. i.e. you don't know if you are covered by fair use till you are sued and win in court. That is not a route most want to go.

Music is copyrighted a lot longer than many things. And RE the various lengths reported, I believe that even if country X only allows say life +twenty the agreement means they will honor the the copyright as it exists in the country issuing it. So for american songs its still life +70.

As to Americans being more concerned with it. It's just a civil case in the US. It's a criminal issue in Canada.

RE: what you can "get away with". That is your call but it really can't be discussed here.

RE: who cares? A fair number of people do. Wedding videos and corporate in house videos are notorious for using music with out permission. Personally I think there should be a needle drop fee for those uses that doesn't involve lawyers and negotiations. But that isn't the way it is.

So know the law. What you choose to do at that point is your decision. Many people speed, some get caught.

Since we are talking dialog, I'm not sure what the time is. Which is why I would go to places where you have plausible deniability. If you are getting files from a site that says they are in the public domain your not 100% safe but close enough, especially for this kind of project.

The good part (for this project) is that it's also the place your most likely to find what your looking for.
 
dre83 said:
Isn't it "legal" when it's only heared inside the house ? So not broadcasted or not put on the internet ?
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In your house for your family is as far as I know covered by norman usage. Even synchronized with picture is "OK".

But the minute you show it to friends or out side your home on in a way that others can see it you have stepped over the line.

Personally I feel that is really overly protective but in the legal scheme of things my opinion amounts to zilch.
 
You really shouldn't bother with anyone else's material in any way whatsoever. Getting the "rights" to any third-party copyrightable material is a convoluted and expensive process.
 
Gary Huff said:
You really shouldn't bother with anyone else's material in any way whatsoever. Getting the "rights" to any third-party copyrightable material is a convoluted and expensive process.
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Nonsense! Excellent music is available from any number of royalty free libraries for very reasonable licensing fees.
 
I don't know the american laws, so I can only say from experience in my country (also known as "Belgium").

Here, if you have put a song on your cellphone as a ringtone, which you have bought (cd or mp3 or whatever, but payed it), and your phone rings in a bus full of people, well you
don't have to be afraid because you don't have to pay the music rights, because they're payed already by buying the cd.

Also when you have a small party in the garden and you put on a cd, you don't have to pay music rights because it's already payed. Even if the non-invited neighbours can hear it.

I think that's the difference with the american law ? Where you have to pay music rights even when you have a big party of.... 3 people.

And that's also a raison I said: "who cares", because here...nobody does....Because it has been payed already, the music and other rights.

Except if you have a restaurant, café, bistro, bar, shop,.....then you still have to pay extra
 
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