I liked this tip from the board

Mark Smith

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Something I like about this board is the productive sharing of information. Last week some one posted about using Expo Discs for white balancing and so out of curiosity i looked that item up and decided to buy a pair, the neutral and the portrait versions.

With a camera like the AF 100 you're going to want to have a solid white balance and good in camera color rendition right from the start because the camera is 8 bit. While color manipulation is possible in post, you want you image going into post to be as close to what you intend the final result to be as you can get it. Using an Expo Disc is one way to go about getting a solid white balance.

After some experimentation and use in the field, I found the Expo Disc was a really good tip.

There are 3 basic ways to set a white balance:

Use a preset or variable preset . The AF gives you three choices, 3200K, 5600K and a variable preset which is user definable.

Incident white balance which is what the Expo Disc does,

Reflected white balance which is the usual method of placing a white reference card in the light you want to shoot in, pointing the camera the card and doing a white balance.

What I like the most is the ability to get consistent results white balance wise under varying and mixed light conditions Snap a disc on the lens point the camera at your sources , White balance and you are good to go.

Expo Discs advance this cause by making faster, consistent and more accurate color balancing on set possible, especially in fluid situations. Who hasn't grabbed a WB off a stray sheet of paper, a crew member's t shirt or the side of a car when in a hurry? The reason I find Expo disc so convenient is that you have the disc in your pocket and the ideal placement for it is over the lens for snapping a WB, which defeats the "random grab a WB off of anything that looks white and is close by" scenario.

The expos are designed to work like a light meter lumisphere , integrating the incident light falling on the disc. So if you are in a mixed light situation, snap the disc over the lens, from where your subject will be, point the camera back at the light illuminating the subject and snap your WB. If you have some overhead flo's and some tungsten mixing in just make sure you can see both sources through the lens, snap disc over lens and WB . The Expo disc acts to integrate the various sources and give you the necessary white balance.

I find the incident method with a Expo disc easier than using reflected light off a white card because white card placement in a mixed source environment can be easy to get wrong. White cards by nature are two dimensional and getting the card placed so the various light sources illuminate the card properly can be very tricky.

On thing that you have to be careful of with the expo disc however is that the light or lights you want to white balance to MUST strike the face of the disc unlike doing a white balance with reflected light.

Clearly there are situations where a reflected white balance os going to be a better choice than incident, for instance if you can't get the camera to where the light is. Low light is a tough situation for using an Expo Disc as the disc cuts light transmission by about 1 1/3 stops, so if you are already in a situation with low illumination levels you may be better off with a reflected white balance than a incident one. For many of the situations that I find myself in, the Expo disc / incident WB method works and gives me very consistent results in less time than using a white card / reflected WB method.
 
Neat idea. I have been using Gray cards for white balancing for years and get much better results than with using white cards or like you mention a guys T-Shirt or paper. The only thing I don't like with the Expo Disk idea is that it attaches to the front of the lens so you have to have the right mm version to fit. I don't use one lens all the time and changing lens just to balance doesn't make sense.
 
The Disc size is a consideration. My main lenses currently are the Olympus 14-35 and 35-100 so i have disc for those lenses. I have a variety of other lenses which are all over the map in terms of front element size and when I use those lenses & an Expo I just hold the disc over the front of the lens and WB . Clearly this can be a little clumsy from time to time , but I still think its worth it to get more consistent WB's.
 
I've been curious about these, especially because I've gotten some less than ideal WBs.

And for a one size fits all (lenses), it appears their Video Format Filter may be a viable alternative.

From their site:

ExpoDisc Video Format Filters are ExpoDiscs that are encased in 4 x 5.65 in. durable machined aluminum frames with easy to grip handles.
They fit over a wide variety of larger video (and still) lenses.


Each ExpoDisc is manufactured and individually hand calibrated to fall within strict tolerances of light transmission and color neutrality.
Consisting of multiple layers of carefully selected materials, the ExpoDisc is guaranteed to be within +/- 2% of neutral for demanding professionals.

How does it work?

Varying levels of colorcast typically occur in digital image capture and require compensation as part of the process to create video with good color fidelity.
Blue, green, red and yellow colorcasts are not uncommon. Until now, videographers have had to rely on gray/white cards and targets to solve this problem.

But the ExpoDisc acts just like an 18% gray card when used to measure the incident light, and as such can be used instead. The sophisticated design enables the ExpoDisc to receive, scramble and passively transmit mixed light from a wide angle in front of the disc through to the image sensor for a more accurate and efficient white balance correction.

Simply take a white balance reading with the ExpoDisc held in front of your lens, and your video camera will compensate for and neutralize the colorcast it sees through the ExpoDisc.

Features

- Convenient, fast and easy-to-use
- Balance your color at capture
- Works in mixed and difficult lighting
- Replace your gray cards and white cards
- Spend more time shooting and less on workflow
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I'm intrigued. $169 at B&H.
 
I went with Discs because they fit in a pocket with less hassle, but the video Format size would certainly cover a wide variety of situations.
 
Call me crazy but I normally dial in my own white balance. I prefer at actually. If the goal is to get it as close to what I want before post, then dialing in manually is a good way for me to go. Typically I just want it a notch warmer or cooler than what a proper white balance will give me, so it's easier to just drop it down a hair.
 
Another thing I like to do is shoot the gray card after I balance so in post I can use a color picker to dial it in even better.
 
Call me crazy but I normally dial in my own white balance. I prefer at actually. If the goal is to get it as close to what I want before post, then dialing in manually is a good way for me to go. Typically I just want it a notch warmer or cooler than what a proper white balance will give me, so it's easier to just drop it down a hair.

Do you use a color temp meter to get the base color temp of the scene / source Kyle?
 
The one problem I find with the variable WB function in the AF is that it doesn't really take into account the magenta/green axis. It slides up and down the blue orange axis nicely but frequently there is more to the picture than just warm, cool. Clearly if its a scene I'm lighting,its likely I have control over the mix of colors but if I am in a location with mixed sources that I have to use for some reason the variable WB isn't going to be adequate.

My GF 1 has a more sophisticated manual color balance than the AF with takes into account cool/warm - and magenta/ green. If the AF had that it would be sweet.

The other thing I have to account for is what happens after I shoot. I shoot my own projects and can afford to make different choices with regards to color balance because I KNOW color grading will be a layer in my overall process.
If I am shooting for a client, they may or may not want to , have time to do color grading in post and I can't assume there will be a grading session as a part of their work flow. I've had a couple of near issues with clients assuming there would be a color grade and there wasn't. Color issues that were just too time consuming to deal with on location but *for me* were 5 minute fixes in post turned out to be issues for a client.
I had a come to jesus moment about the difference between the way I iwork and the way a client might work and so had to take getting better color balances on site a bit more seriously.
So far for the Expo disc has been a welcome addition to my tool kit. I still use color temp meters and the whole suite of correction gels when I have to as well as any other thing that lets me get my way with the image.
 
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