I have EX1 vs HMC150 vs A1 footage

150 grabs look horrible.

Compared to the A1 and EX3 the 150 looks like up-rezzed video. The most obvious is in the details of the grass. The A1 and EX3 show much finer detail in the grass than the 150...


EDIT: I just read that the OP shot each camera in stock setting. Okay, now this test is entirely useless to me. It is basically a test of the image quality of the 3 cameras at their stock, out of the box setting.
 
I normally don't comment on threads like this for the reason I am about to give: We are all sitting looking at a very wide variety of monitors as we "evaluate" the footage. Mine a MacBook Pro 17 buddy in Texas a Dell 23 and friend in Sydney a Samsung 19. You get the point. So I find it difficult to relate to detail specific comments regarding footage. Certainly overall look and such can be appreciated from Vimeo footage and QT downloads but ....

And let me also add "Damn nice work Justyn!"
Brian
 
Brian: the type of monitor we're using has little relevance when we're not making absolute judgement on the example from the camera but rather making assessment RELATIVE to samples from the other cameras which are presented to us simultaneously.
 
One problem with computer images is that many forget to take into account the difference between the viewing distance for a 50" or 60" HDTV vs. the viewing distance for your computer monitor.

In the case of a 50" or 60" HDTV, the typical viewing distance is around 9 feet. However, on you computer monitor, you are likely to be around 1.5 to 2 feet from the screen. This is like sitting about 4 or 5 feet from your 50" or 60" HDTV.

To scale everything to the same effect as a 50" or 60" HDTV at 9 feet, be sure to move around 3 to 4 feet from your computer monitor.

Let me also add, that still photos are helpful, but they lack the dynamic effect that we see from a moving video. When I freeze a video, some artifacts appear that do not appear in a moving video.


Bob Diaz
 
booggerg2 said:
Brian: the type of monitor we're using has little relevance when we're not making absolute judgement on the example from the camera but rather making assessment RELATIVE to samples from the other cameras which are presented to us simultaneously.
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In reading through your posts, it seems that you are consistently critical of the HMC150.

Why not go with A1 and EX3?

I don't believe you are going to locate good comparisons on line versus renting the cams and shooting the identical scene with each.
 
I like the HMC and I want to like it. However, I've seen two screen shot comparisons now where the resolution of the image from the HMC does not stack up to the A1.

People keeps saying the best comparison is done with raw footage played back on a proper HD screen. I don't disagree with this , but I also feel a meaningful comparison can be done with the results from the different cameras presented in identical fashion to the reader such as it was for this comparison. With respect to this comparison, I don't see how ANYONE can discount the very obvious lower resolution from the HMC screen caps.
 
Thanks for the grabs!

The HMC150 screen grabs looks blurry and the compression is way too much compared to the A1 and EX1(of course). Maybe the footage posted is not in PH mode?

I hope someone can post raw footage of both A1 and HMC150 of the same footage. The grabs are somewhat of a turn off into buying the HMC150 :(
 
Like I said. We are all looking at stuff on different monitors. That we are looking at content simultaneously seemed pretty obvious to me, but thanks for pointing that out.
The HMC150 just came out and people are only beginning to work with it and if you visit the marketplace[ booggerg2 you will see many are either selling their current camera and investing in an HMC150. No doubt we will see stunning examples in the months ahead. What I find the most valuable is the opinions of those who were using HVX200's -EX1's and A1's etc and now have an HMC150.
When one factors in the countless compression and other possibilities that posted content may have encountered on its way to your monitor I think "evaluation" should be taken with a grain of salt. The opinion of a guy like Justyn who is shooting with his HMC150 and selling his HVX 200 are what shaped my decision to buy the camera.
Cheers
Brian
 
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Brian... Thanks so much for the nice fine words. YES indeed. I'm selling my hvx and going to buy another computer and another 150. I simply love what it offers and at this price. I don't have too much tied up in this. I'm willing to let the wife borrow it... or a friend rent it or whatever.. But it still delivers and its producing stunning video.

look at Evro's HMC 150 wedding footage and tell me that's not badass looking? He might have gotten 10-15 grand for a job like that and no one is going to give a crap that it was or wasn't shot with an EX1. Personlly you put 10 people in a room and show them both and what do you think you'll get? Most people don't see the little details and aren't looking so critically.


This camera kills in low light and for a hundred bucks I can shoot about 10 hours of footage on little cheap and highly available media. Cheap and reliable!!!
 
When i look for a camera there are a few things I look for first.

1. Because I'm a teenager and $7.00 an hour is not the best pay in the world. I want an inexpensive camera. So that takes care of the EX3.

And

2. Progressive HD. I work with special effects and when working with cinema verite and motion tracking together, interlaced frames will screw up the tracker in a shakey scene. Interlaced was made a long time ago to keep film from "rolling" or something like that. Progressive is the way to go.

So I'm sold on the HMC 150 and I plan to buy it in a few months. The fact that it uses SD cards is nice. AVCHD I know, but I think my computer can handle it, and I can always convert to DVCPROHD with a freee converter on Panasonics website.

I am debating still between the A1 and HMC150, because the A1 seems to have better quality, but the solid state and progrssive scan has really sold me.
 
Anyone care to explain what camera is meant by the "A1" ??? The Canon XH-A1? But that's 1440x1080 with a pixel aspect ratio, so screengrabs in 1920x1080 dont make sense...
 
Bram1982 said:
Anyone care to explain what camera is meant by the "A1" ??? The Canon XH-A1? But that's 1440x1080 with a pixel aspect ratio, so screengrabs in 1920x1080 dont make sense...
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It depends what method is used to take screenshots.

If the OP was taking screenshots through a media player, the display aspect ratio would be 16/9 (it would be "stretched" to 1920x1080, since the PAR is 1.333 for HDV). If taking screenshots as 1:1 pixels without the PAR correction, it would be 1440x1080
 
i like all 3 cameras. lately ive really started to like the 150 though. It puts out a nice image. For the price i dont think you can go wrong with either the a1 or the 150.

with the right tweaking the a1 puts out stunning footage that still blows me away to this day. without the tweaking the a1 is flat but thats just my opinion.
 
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