C200: I found a better way to mount my C200 Touchscreen

puredrifting

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I am really not thrilled with the quality or function of the included LA-V1 Touchscreen Mounting Arm. It's just sort of flimsy and while you can adjust it one handed, which is nice, as we all know, it puts the touchscreen too close to your face to use as an eyepiece/monitor when shooting shoulder mounted. I played around with one of my Ultralight Control Systems monitor arms to see where I could place the C200 touchscreen. To do this, you need to have 15mm rods in place, which I do from my Zacuto VCT Baseplate. I also played around with putting the 1/4" 20 end of the ULCS arm into the handle front mount where the LA-V1 fits into and in a way, I like it more than mounting off of the 15mm rods down below, but I need to order a 1/4" 20 to ball piece to attach to what I have to try that.

I am shooting on a documentary tomorrow, probably a 1 hour walk and talk, following a subject around. We will be indoors so the sun reflections won't be too bad on the screen. This setup, as pictured, moves the screen 2" more forward than the LA-V1 can, it's barely forward enough for me to use, even with reading glasses but those of you who have younger eyes that can focus closer may find moving the whole touchscreen 2" forward enough to use shoulder mounted. The issue I run into is I use the 17-55 2.8 IS as my lens for this type of shoot and at 17mm, you must carefully position the arm and touchscreen, then double check that the arm or touchscreen are not being seen around the edges of the frame. I won't be using the touchscreen to touch focus but it will be nice to have waveforms visible and to be able to use the BT-709 LUT that I cannot send out to my EVF Pro since the C200 doesn't output LUTs to the HDMI output. I thought I would really use the touchscreen a lot more for focus than I do. Most of the time, I am using face tracking and even when there are multiple faces in frame, I can easily jump from focusing on each face using the grip joystick. So I like the screen but the touchscreen aspect of it is not that big of a deal for my shooting at least, although it will be handy when shooting tabletop and objects I suppose?

www.filmtools.com sells the ULCS system, it's sort of Lego approach where you buy a bunch of different pieces to create the piece you need for the task you want to accomplish, they are actually made for holding underwater flash systems for still cameras but they are very handy on digital cinema cameras. This setup cost me about $200.00 but I've had it for a few years now and it's still going strong, good stuff. One advantage of using the CN-E 18-80 T4.4 for this same kind of shoot is that the lens is just physically a lot longer so you could position the touchscreen farther forward without worrying about getting the arm or screen into the frame so there is that to think about. I've also discovered that the Hoodman H400 while it doesn't cover every millimeter of the C200's screen, it does make the screen fairly usable in semi-shade, semi-sun, still not great for those nuclear bright days though.

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Puredrifting, if you don’t mind me asking about another piece of kit in that photo, did you ever own the previous Zacuto VCT shoulder mount? The one without the slide out plate? That’s the one I have and I’m curious if it’s worth upgrading.
 
I never owned VCT Universal but I have used it. IMHO, definitely worth the upgrade unless you rarely change different weight lenses. If you do, changing the center of gravity on the Universal was a PITA and on this one it is so easy as to be effortless. My Sachtler head is a Speed Balance head so I can change the COG on the tripod head by just sliding the whole top plate and then I can do the same with the Zacuto VCT Pro when I am shoulder mounted and switch lenses, adding or subtracting a V-mount at the rear of the rig, etc. The VCT Pro is one of my favorite pieces of gear. I think I got it on a special sale for $400.00. Keep an eye out for Zacuto coupons, promotions and back stock sales, I have gotten some great deals from them. My EVF Pro normally sells for $1,000.00, I got a b-stock/demo for $400.00 and it was like new.
 
Here's a WC rod clamp with the similar ball end to your configuration that I use to mount a smallHD 702 to a 15mm rod:
https://www.woodencamera.com/ultra-arm-ball-super-clamp-p/233100.htm

Need to double check it's tight from time to time, but pretty solid.

I've seen all of this Wooden Camera stuff, it looks amazingly similar to the ULCS stuff. Curious if there was licensing paid to ULCS or if Wooden just liberated the design? It's not identical but it's very close.
 
@puredrifting
Is the LCD mount in itself flimsy or only the execution by Canon? Do you think third party manufacturers could replicate canon's system but strengthen it somehow? And make it expandable at the same time, to get it in a better position for shoulder mount setups?
 
@puredrifting
Is the LCD mount in itself flimsy or only the execution by Canon? Do you think third party manufacturers could replicate canon's system but strengthen it somehow? And make it expandable at the same time, to get it in a better position for shoulder mount setups?

Not sure which component in the arm causes it but even when you tighten down the tie down knob on the LA-V1 to the C200 handle all of the way, the articulating parts of the arm are just cheap feeling and the whole thing kind of sags like the C300 MKII setup. It definitely doesn't feel solid.
 
@puredrifting
Is the LCD mount in itself flimsy or only the execution by Canon? Do you think third party manufacturers could replicate canon's system but strengthen it somehow? And make it expandable at the same time, to get it in a better position for shoulder mount setups?

I've not found it flimsy at all. Seems pretty solid to me. It can be confusing as heck though, so many joints. I took it off my camera and it took me a solid 10 minutes to figure out how to get it back on the way I had it originally. I have mine attached without the handle.

I'm working on a handle solution, but for now am going without one. The Canon's is too tall for me to get into my bag fully built.
 
I've not found it flimsy at all. Seems pretty solid to me. It can be confusing as heck though, so many joints. I took it off my camera and it took me a solid 10 minutes to figure out how to get it back on the way I had it originally. I have mine attached without the handle.

I'm working on a handle solution, but for now am going without one. The Canon's is too tall for me to get into my bag fully built.

I find the LCD joints confusing to the point where I'm scared I might break the thing. lol Is there a way to loosen the pivot points a bit? Seems a bit stiff but perhaps they will loosen up with use.
 
I find the LCD joints confusing to the point where I'm scared I might break the thing. lol Is there a way to loosen the pivot points a bit? Seems a bit stiff but perhaps they will loosen up with use.

No way to loosen. Perhaps they will loosen just a touch with use although I am probably going to use my own solution more. I shot handheld yesterday and it worked well.
 
I quite like the Wooden Camera UVF which I originally got for my BMCC rig. On the 300II (maybe the same of C200?) there's a 1/4 20" hole on the front underside of the top handle which the mount can be attached:

https://www.woodencamera.com/uvf-mount-v2-p/157100.htm

The nice thing is the arm swings up and down and the monitor/evf and go back and forth along it, so you can instantly position the monitor behind the camera for tripod work and then back around for handheld.
 
Not sure which component in the arm causes it but even when you tighten down the tie down knob on the LA-V1 to the C200 handle all of the way, the articulating parts of the arm are just cheap feeling and the whole thing kind of sags like the C300 MKII setup. It definitely doesn't feel solid.

I eliminated the sliding bar and attached the hinge part directly to the top of the camera. It's very solid in that configuration. I'm guessing the weak part is that sliding bar thing. The hinge itself is quite solid and stays where you put it.

If you're going to use this arrangement, it's designed so the hinge projects sideways to the camera. I find it better if it projects forwards, as it gets the monitor more out front and out of the way. The only trick is the grips on the hinge attachment don't line up and loosen easily. I stuck a neoprene washer under the hinge attachment to give it more friction.
 
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I really love the hot shoe hinge that SmallHD made for the focus monitor. I was planning on buying that hinge and screwing it into the side of the LM-V1 monitor. To me it seems perfect because the screen has the 1/4 20" on the right side. Perfect for the hinge.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1340938-REG

All fine and good but many are looking for a way to move the touchscreen forward for shoulder mounted shooting. Mounting on this would move the touchscreen way back toward the shooter. The only hot shoe on the handle is way toward the rear of the camera.
 
I eliminated the sliding bar and attached the hinge part directly to the top of the camera. It's very solid in that configuration. I'm guessing the weak part is that sliding bar thing. The hinge itself is quite solid and stays where you put it.

If you're going to use this arrangement, it's designed so the hinge projects sideways to the camera. I find it better if it projects forwards, as it gets the monitor more out front and out of the way. The only trick is the grips on the hinge attachment don't line up and loosen easily. I stuck a neoprene washer under the hinge attachment to give it more friction.

Can you post a picture?
 
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