HVX200 - So near - yet so far?

andynick

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I’ve had an HVX200 for a couple of weeks now, so I thought some people might be interested in my thoughts so far. Please feel free to comment or correct me as appropriate.

First, let me just say that as a professional stills photographer who only graduated to Video about three years ago, the HVX200 has surpassed my expectations as far as Image Quality and Colour are concerned. And when it comes to Focus and Exposure control, the HVX still has some way to go but it beats my previous camera, the Sony HVR-Z1, hands down.

What I’m writing here are some simple improvements I wish Panasonic had considered at the design stage.

The ability to shoot at various Frame Rates is fantastic – but the HVX requires the operator to dig deep into the Menu in order to change Codec – so if you’re like me and want to shoot your main footage in 1080, but also want to shoot some slow motion scenes, you have to change between 720 and 1080.

I already have my Frame Rates included in my customised Scene Files (currently based on a modification of Barry Green’s “Detail” file which I think is great) so I just turn the Scene File knob to select whichever I want but then it takes up to THIRTEEN Menu Button presses to change from 720p to 1080i. That’s too much, especially when you take into account the awful layout and position of the Navigation Buttons. Why couldn’t the up and down buttons be in relation to “up” and “down” on the display? (And while we’re on the subject of button positions – have you ever tried to play back a clip whilst handholding the HVX? It’s not easy)!

I’d love to know why Panasonic chose to allocate such rare and obscure operations as “Backlight” and “Fade to White” to the User Buttons. How many professional operators use those particular features? Not many, I’m sure.

Why on earth can’t we assign Codec changes to the User Buttons? Surely it would be easy enough to protect them from accidental use (and arguably, the result of an accidental Codec change couldn’t be much worse than accidentally inserting a “fade to white” or even backlight compensation).

But don’t get me wrong – I just LOVE this camera!
I only wish it were easier to change codec.

I tried saving different User Files with the various Codec settings included – but have you ever tried quickly changing User Files . . ? Don’t go there!

Finally.
Watching the last three seconds of my clip is pretty useless to me – so why can’t the "Rec Check" button be changed to a ZAP THAT LAST CLIP button. I know whether my last clip's useless or not, so if it's scrap, I want to ditch it and get on with the shoot rather than undertake a minimum of TEN Menu Button presses as currently required to ditch a clip. I don't have time to piddle with the menu buttons when I'm shooting action.

C’mon, tell me what you think!

Andy
 
Ouch.
VERY valid points. Time is money on set, and going through menus sucks.

Perhaps this is something that a Firmware update could deal with.

Ideally almost all the buttons would be "custom" buttons - and let them do whatever you want! Full keyboard customisation is beginning to (finally) be the norm in software, how about we get the same in our cameras?

- Mikko
 
I think hes on to somehting.

I've had mine for about 2 weeks now, and ive only just now, learned how to make the best picture from the camera. I ve been testing for almost 2 weeks straight. It was alot of work, but now i have a rich color, neutral contrast, low noise Scenefile that when put thorugh CC maintains its quality. i am a happy Camper. but yes i agree with andy, in that the 1080/720 conversion is a pain, as well as, the camera mode must be the same as the mode of the clip you wish to play back, in P2/VCR mode. i hate having to switch back and forth, to view the Slomo stuff intermixed with the 1080 stuff.
 
What settings did you end up with for rich color, neutral contrast, etc?

Also, an improvement idea (if it is technically possible): Give us an option of
recording NO AUDIO. So when doing a music video, recording on DAT, etc,no
storage space is wasted on empty audio tracks. Might increase P2 storage possibilities quite a bit.
 
I think the time it takes to do things weighs out using a real film camera. You might not have all those fancy menus or any to be exact but just setting up practical things for a film camera can be hell if im not mistaking. Lighting alone for film makes an HVX look like the sweetest desert on the planet. I understand from a run and gun, or commercial standpoint or other fast paced things that time is money, but from a filmmakers point of view, I wouldn't mind it at all.

- Kyle
 
mainstreetprod said:
What settings did you end up with for rich color, neutral contrast, etc?

No idea what TimurCivan uses but I just love the natural, saturated colours in Barry's DETAIL settings.

The only change I make to it is to tone down the Detail Levels a tad (the first two) to +3 each

If you use it, take care not to overexpose.

SCENE NAME : DETAIL
00005000: 15 ; DETAIL LEVEL: 7
00005001: 15 ; V DETAIL LEVEL: 7
00005002: 6 ; DETAIL CORING : -2
00005003: 8 ; CHROMA LEVEL: 0
00005004: 8 ; CHROMA PHASE: 0
00005005: 8 ; COLOR TEMP: 0
00005006: 12 ; MASTER PED: -4
00005007: 8 ; A.IRIS LEVEL: 0
00005008: 1 ; NEWS GAMMA: OFF
00005009: 5 ; GAMMA : CINELIKE D
0000500A: 3 ; KNEE: HIGH
0000500B: 3 ; MATRIX: CINE-LIKE
0000500C: 1 ; SKIN TONE DTL : OFF
0000500D: 0 ; V DETAIL FREQ : THIN
0000500E: 1 ; OPERATION TYPE: FILM CAM
0000500F: 0 ; FRAME RATE: DEFAULT
00005010: 4A026801 ; SYNCRO SCAN :

Give us an option of recording NO AUDIO.

No Audio - that would be a useful option to save valuable P2 space but knowing me, I'd forget to cancel it!

Seriously though - I think that's a great idea if it's practical.

Andy
 
Did I read that the HVX200 runs a Linux kernal? If so some of these issues could be easily corrected with a software upgrade. Things like reassigning button functionality and rearranging the menu system would certainly be possible with firmware updates.

I'd add turning off the image to the LCD while maintaining the technical information for those of us who use an image flipping lens adapter (or is that already there, buried in some menu I haven't found yet).

Bob
 
Hey Andy,
I agree Barry's detail scene file is great. I too dropped the detail down to +3. In addition, I mixed it with his color scene file only with a little less color than he recommended. This combination really grabs you when you see it on a good HD monitor.
Jim
 
Jim Carswell said:
Hey Andy,
I agree Barry's detail scene file is great. I too dropped the detail down to +3. In addition, I mixed it with his color scene file only with a little less color than he recommended. This combination really grabs you when you see it on a good HD monitor.
Jim

Thanks Jim - I'll try that tomorrow if I can find the time.
Andy
 
Swapping 720-1080 doesn't bother me since I shoot one flavor in most all situations, (valid point if you need to).
But being able to delete the last clip would be AWESOME. Today alone we shot 5 on camera pieces for every one we kept. After a 9 hour shoot, that would save a lot of disk space. I can't menu navigate because of time! :cry:
 
mainstreetprod said:
What settings did you end up with for rich color, neutral contrast, etc?

Also, an improvement idea (if it is technically possible): Give us an option of
recording NO AUDIO. So when doing a music video, recording on DAT, etc,no
storage space is wasted on empty audio tracks. Might increase P2 storage possibilities quite a bit.


kind of a secret. But get ahold of a HDtv and connect the camera, and play with settings you will find it....
 
there are no secrets here, we're here to share and help each other. not gaurd how we od what we do, it isn't like you've designed a camera that shoots 1080p and costs 20 bucks to build. we're talking a few settings, cause heres the thing, if Joe video maker uses poor settings, and john industrial costomer see's this video, and knows it was an hvx, then Jack video maker with the great settings may lose a future customer, because john industrial has a premade distrust for this camera.

Jason Miller
 
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