HVX200 RESOLUTION TESTS ON- 720P vs 1080P/24 FRAME

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I was doing some internal testing for evaluation on the HVX200 and thought I would post one of the blow up frames that was an analysis on 720p vs 1080p taken from
material Kaku posted. I wanted to see if there was an increase in resolving power
when going to 1080p mode.

Link to blow up test: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms



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Thanks for the post, but I went to the site and there weren't any "thumbnails" to click on. Tried loading the site in both Firefox and IE.
 
Give the site some time to load. For some reason lately it's slown down. There are also a lot images on the page at the moment.. Let me know if it works!
 
My preliminary analysis is that 1080p has more res. I have much more testing material than was posted. However, that is my preliminary findings.

I know this camera was not dialed in to give the 1080P it's maximum potential. I believe i could squeeze some more out of the HVX200.

Good results though.

Michael Pappas
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
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XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here:
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

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PappasArts ... I believe i could squeeze some more out of the HVX200. Michael Pappas [/QUOTE said:
I agree, i am sure you could.

...we dont know yet the best settings to bring the best from it, i think.
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Thanks Michael.

Take a look at the the bush on the right.
The 1080 shows more detail.

If there is any difference in noise, It miight be due to
more detail. The 720 image might smear noise a bit.

Any thoughts on this?

Steve
 
Stevet said:
Take a look at the the bush on the right.
The 1080 shows more detail.
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I agree. The difference isn't HUGE, but I'd rather shoot in 1080 than 720 for that extra "kick" in the detail. The noise doesn't bother me at all. But that shrubbery on the right sure looks better in 1080, don't it?

The good news it that it's seems entirely possible to use 720 for the moments you need variable frame rates and 1080 for the rest. The difference shouldn't be too jarring. :thumbup:
 
Bump up! No problem. I have bumped HVX 720 to 2k and 4 k files for testing and it will work great for those shooting 1080p; then need some over-under crank effect to blend in from 720p. No problem!


Link to blow up test and HVX200 35mm big screen footage: http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms



Michael Pappas
Arrfilms@hotmail.com
PappasArts & Arrfilms Main site

CONTACT VIA AOL INSTANT MESSENGER
AT { PAPPASARTS2 }


XLH1 and HVX200 frame grabs and news here:
http://www.pbase.com/Arrfilms

http://www.PappasArts.com
http://www.Myspace.com/PappasArts



jrv3034 said:
I agree. The difference isn't HUGE, but I'd rather shoot in 1080 than 720 for that extra "kick" in the detail. The noise doesn't bother me at all. But that shrubbery on the right sure looks better in 1080, don't it?

The good news it that it's seems entirely possible to use 720 for the moments you need variable frame rates and 1080 for the rest. The difference shouldn't be too jarring. :thumbup:
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Would you explainme the diference between 720P and 1080P? please...
why is not possible to rec in variable frames at 1080P?... im the little bit lost here...
720 is HD rigth?... and 1080 is HD then.... so... what is the diference?...

Sorry about my novel question.. but i´ve read aloooot of this, about 720p and 1080.. and... i ve never found a CLEAR explanation...

Some Hero please

thanks

Fernando
 
You cannot reord the variable frame rates with The HVx-200 in 1080p. This camera will only let you get variable rates in 720p.
 
mico said:
You cannot reord the variable frame rates with The HVx-200 in 1080p. This camera will only let you get variable rates in 720p.
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yeah, i know... but my question is WHY??? i dont have clear these diferences between 1080P and 720P... wich one is better??? or.. what is the diferences??
i mean, in theory i got the diferences... but i just can´t finally understand in FACT in real life these diferences... do you know what i mean?.. i´m reading and reading about it and i dont get it.. sorry

Fernando:(
 
Fernando Kurezyn Jr. said:
yeah, i know... but my question is WHY??? i dont have clear these diferences between 1080P and 720P... wich one is better??? or.. what is the diferences??
i mean, in theory i got the diferences... but i just can´t finally understand in FACT in real life these diferences... do you know what i mean?.. i´m reading and reading about it and i dont get it.. sorry

Fernando:(
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Fernando:

Please don't be offended, but I don't think you're making yourself clear... what exactly are you asking?

Tal ves sera mejor si nos preguntes en castellano...

-Barry
 
720 and 1080 are two different types of HD. The numbers are pixel resolution. Standard definition records 480 vertical, while HD can be had in 720 and 1080.

1080 HD records a larger frame than 720 HD. 720 is always progressive, so it's known as 720p. 1080 can be had interlaced or progressive, so it's either 1080i or 1080p.

Somebody else should be able to write the technical explanation much better than me. Barry? Jarred?
 
ullanta said:
Fernando:

Please don't be offended, but I don't think you're making yourself clear... what exactly are you asking?

Tal ves sera mejor si nos preguntes en castellano...

-Barry
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Hola Barry, no , claro que no me ofendo, yo trato de comunicarme en inlges pero
evidentemente no es mi lengua nativa y evidentemente tampoco he tomado muchas clases en mi vida jeje.. solo lo que he apendido en internet, en peliculas, en canciones y uuun poco en la escuela. (claro mis viajes a US tambien algo ayudan)

Ok, el asunto es que no tengo claro primero: PORQUE HAY DOS FORMATOS? osea.. porque hay 720P y porque hay 1080 (ya sea progresivo o interlazado) pero PORQUE existen DOS?...

Segundo: Que diferencias hay?.. osea como para que yo pueda evaluar cual me conviene mas al momento de grabar, si es 720 voy a tener menos calidad? sigue siendo HD, no es cierto?... si grabo en 1080 es un desperdicio de pixeles?.. o ya no tengo el LOOK cinematografico (cinema look)??... esas son mis preguntas... entiendo que la Panasonic HVX no te permita grabar a mas de 720p en variable frames, pero, eso es malo? eso eso bueno?... es indiferente?...

La parte tecnica la puedo leer en cualquier definicion de 720p o de 1080 en muchos
libros, pero en la vida real, NO LO ENTIENDO.

Gracias por permitirme escribir en castellano.

Haake me esta ayudando con el ingles =P
pero si, todavia me falta mucho.

Gracias otra vez.

Fernando :engel017:
 
jrv3034 said:
720 and 1080 are two different types of HD. The numbers are pixel resolution. Standard definition records 480 vertical, while HD can be had in 720 and 1080.

1080 HD records a larger frame than 720 HD. 720 is always progressive, so it's known as 720p. 1080 can be had interlaced or progressive, so it's either 1080i or 1080p.

Somebody else should be able to write the technical explanation much better than me. Barry? Jarred?
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Thanks JRB...

i understand this TECHINCAL thing, but i just can´t understand wich one is better or wich one is THE ONE for cinema look, or simple better performance...

sorry about my english guys, i do my best.

thanks anyway

Fernando
 
Well, the difference is SIZE. 1080p records an image that is bigger than 720p. 720p is bigger than 480p. All of them can look cinematic, but if all else is equal, the 1080p footage shows more detail than the other two resolutions when shown on a big screen TV or movie theater.

The DVX100 records in 480p, and looks very cinematic, very "movie-like", but when you see it on a big-screen HDTV set or in a movie theater, it looks soft. Much softer than 35mm film. Like all SD, it's meant to be seen in regular, small TVs. 720p is much bigger, and would look great (very sharp and detailed, not blurry or soft) on a big HDTV with a 720p resolution. Now there are some huge HDTVs that have a 1080p resolution, and you can watch 720p on them, but 1080p footage would look even better. 1080p is the biggest of the HD standards. 720p doesn't show as much detail.

Star Wars II and III were shot in 1080p with Sony CineAlta cameras. So was Once Upon a Time in Mexico, and Sin City. All were in 1080p. The new Genesis camera, which they are using for Superman now, is 1080p. So is the ARRI D20, the Viper, and the Dalsa Origin.

1080p shows more detail than 720p, which makes it better for film transfer. 720p is certainly better than 480 SD, but 1080p is the most detail that can be recorded in HD. The more detail, the better.

Why are there two different HD standards? Great question. The answer is the same for "why are there DVD-R and DVD+R disks?" You can use either 720p or 1080p to shoot a movie, and both can look very film-like. But given the choice, if you want to show your work on a really big HDTV screen or transfer to film for 35mm movie theater projection, then 1080p should look better.
 
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