Hvx200-Pal Pre-release Model - Report from the Italian Guy!

Danilo Del Tufo

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Hello my friends!
I'm back from Rome! *smile*
I know...I know all of you wanna know what's happened here!
First I would thanks Barry Green, Emanuel, Spz, and all the friends here. Evr'yone was important to me when I've touched not only Hvx200e but ev'ry camera!

The manifestation in Rome was good, really good to test ev'ry camera we've knew on the internet and was very educative!
First I've tested Hvx200e (a pre-release model) at Adcom stand.
It was via component out to a Panasonic Monitor (about 30").
No P2 all I've seen was via component.
The picture was astonishing, I've tested Cinegamma D and V, Master Pedestal, Chroma etc...
I was filming two babes (never seen girls so beauty as there) with neon lights (one was of 250 and the other of 150 watt) at the right and left side of the beautiful girls.
I've saturated the colors in evr'y way, I've searched in the shadows, in evr'y details, also between the legs of the girls (they dressed a spectacular miniskirt...)
Noise was absent, colors was very very filmlike, you can fall in love with it!
The viewfinder was in black and white (horrid) you can't see a damn thing in there (it oughta be a color viewfinder, right? Prerelease stuff). The lcd was very poor! Good maybe for sd work but for Hd was useless...
The zoom I've tested with Varizoom was very good, I've also tested on camera, I've noticed that the focus ring was very tough, but the ring of the zoom fluid.
I've tested 1080 25p, 1080i, 720p 25, 720p50. At 1080p the picture was incredible, very good at 720p too, at dv good too.
The zoom at 13x was good but I'd preferred more long that 13x...

Then I've tested Canon Xl H1! This camera is a computer guys! It has a lots of buttons and drived me crazy! The quality of footage I was filming was very videoish, I've did the trick, set Cinegamma on Canon (two cinegammas) but the picture was still very videoish, I've changed master pedestals, change shutter, used a nd filter...but it was still "video".
It lacked of latitude in evr'y mode. I've tested 1080i, 25f and 30f, never seen a drastically drop out in resolution between 1080i and 25f to tell the truth, but it was there.
Dunno how many possibilities you can Zoom with Canon, it seems that on the top of the camera has only buttons to zoom!
The zoom was spectacular, you can set the speed and it's very accurately!
The Canon camera is very big, I've some problems to puts my hands on it!
The viewfinder was beauty, you can see the things right there! I dunno if it was original of the camera because I've read that was very bad. IT had the Canon logo on it.
It was as watchin' a little crt television in the viewfinder! Excellent work!
Definitely the picture seems to me good for weddings video, it's just a feeling.
When I've tried to saturate the colors, it was very accurate, but Panasonic did it well. Panasonic seems to saturate colors as they are chemicals, Canon as they are digital.

I've tested Jvc Hd100 with Mini35, and Jvc Hd100 with Redmicro M2.
On the first case, there was a primes on Jvc and Mini35, so you can only to focus or not on the subject (others stunning girls), I've did some test but the little Lcd that was there really provided an ugly picture...so after some test I was really annoyed and gone away.
Worse for Micro35 and Jvc, it was wired to a mini lcd (horrid) the picture was horrible...but I'm pretty sure if they had a large screen it could be interesting to see...

This is a brief report, only about the things they have captured my attention, I've also tested Hdcam and Varicam.
The Hdcam was perfect...

About two or three weeks I'll do some test with Panasonic Hvx200 in Naples with a company! Hope to test P2 cards and see if the noise a macro block are resolved. Also the italian company knows the problems (someone try to hide...) and had trust that Panasonic fix that for Pal users.

If someone has some question just ask!

Thanks to the community all!

Cheers :)
 
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Danilo, excelent report!!! I see you were really impressed with the HVX! Didn't I tell ya? :)

Anyway, did you capture any footage to your laptop? One more question: Did you ask the guys about the resolution of the cam? 1440 or 1280? 1280/720 0r 960/720?

Any release date confirmation?

Did you ask the girls phone numbers ? :)

EDIT- How did the slow motion look at 50p?

Once again, thanks for the report!
 
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HVX_PAL is in Hyderabad (INDIA) today and I am going to see it!!!
Any doubts to be cleared?
 
PC said:
HVX_PAL is in Hyderabad (INDIA) today and I am going to see it!!!
Any doubts to be cleared?

Yes!!! More detailed impressions! Pal information is needed, since the camera is not out yet and the whole PAL world is expecting concrete info!

Noise issue

Camera official specs- Resolution of both dvcpro hd PAL codecs- for 1080 and 720

Non-linear editors support for 720p50

Official launch date?
 
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Dear Spz unfortunately Hvx200 was via component out so when I've used 50p it worked as 25p. THere were not P2 cards so you can't download the footage to laptop. But via component the footage of Hvx200 was astonishing believe me, without noise.
I was the only expert here, people there asked me evr'ything about the camera and I've said all about ccd res, and all stuff.
I was unhappy to see that people are less expert than me (some Italian sellers in Rome asked to test their camera for their buyers if I wanted), well there I was a sort of italian "Barry Green" for italian guys! Thanks to native italian language that I speak!
Eh EH! Barry I've sponsored your next book about Hvx200! So...if you became rich remind of myself! :)
 
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Danilo Del Tufo said:
Dear Spz unfortunately Hvx200 was via component out so when I've used 50p it worked as 25p. There were not P2 cards so you can't download the footage to laptop. QUOTE]

Oh.. :(

Anyway, its reassuring to know there where no noise issues... And if you can't see it in the component out, than be sure that you won't see it in the recorded footage- the DVCPRO HD codec is what Canon uses for capturing its HD-SDI out, so this proves something, right? :)
 
That will be great. I wonder when the first `real production model` arrives in the Netherlands. If its there I check it out. Well done Danilo, did you see all the framerates in the menu?
 
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Is it definitely this Friday then? My dealer still hasn't been given a final date in the UK, but Panasonic have told them 'sometime this week expect a delivery'.
 
Well, I talk with my dealer every day and his Panasonic contact assures him that he will get the camera Friday so that's a pretty sure date.

The downside to talking with a salesman every day: I upgraded my 4 GB card to two 8 GB....
 
Does anybody still know what resolution dvcprohd codec will have in 720p50?
When the pal model will really be announced?
It still says "preliminary" in panny europe's page.
And when the cameras will really be available? After NAB?
 
Xray : where are you going to buy the HVX in the Netherlands?? Any special deals???

n.b. Het zal echt tijd worden dat de HVX in NL leverbaar wordt want mijn geduld raakt op.

xray said:
That will be great. I wonder when the first `real production model` arrives in the Netherlands. If its there I check it out. Well done Danilo, did you see all the framerates in the menu?
 
Danilo Del Tufo said:
I've tried also a Ntsc Hvx200 model and it was Noisy! Pal model was stunning...

Hum, I remain sceptical about your sentence.
Do you really think there is a big improvement with noise (based on what i've seen on ntsc, I found it very acceptable) on Pal model ?
And why ?
 
hvpz said:
Hum, I remain sceptical about your sentence.
Do you really think there is a big improvement with noise (based on what i've seen on ntsc, I found it very acceptable) on Pal model ?
And why ?
When I've worked on Ntsc version I've set all Cinegammas, and saturated the colors at max (very very very red) and the realtime footage was on little crt (i dunno if hd, but I believe it was) , it should mask noise (crt mask noise), but it showed a lot. All was well illuminated.
Tested Pal camera with a Panasonic display Hd (30") the same settings, altering till burnin' the image, oversaturating in evr'y way...NO NOISE.
Maybe it was a miracle I dunno, but it was perfect...
 
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Danilo Del Tufo said:
When I've worked on Ntsc version I've set all Cinegammas, and saturated the colors at max (very very very red) and the realtime footage was on little crt (i dunno if hd, but I believe) it should mask noise (crt mask noise), but it showed a lot.
Tested Pal camera with a Panasonic display Hd (30") the same settings, altering to burn the image, oversaturating in evr'y way...NO NOISE.


Thanks for your answer Danilo :)

But, I'm still puzzled by the differences. The Pal model is 4:2:2 too so why less noise ?
 
I'm just surprised as you! I was just repeating to myself: "I must find the noise! I must oversaturate evr'y damned video setting...is there...must be there...I must check near the shadows...evr'y shadow"....and only god knows where I've pointed Hvx200's lens on the models...LOL :)
...maybe not only god considering that all the people there behind me were seeing what I was doing with the camera into a 30" Hd display!

I've also worked on Hdcam till I've obtained a noisy picture (pretty soon)...so I'm good at that! :)
 
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