Hvx200 At Ibc - Latest News From The Show

So i reached the limit of the post size for the first post, so the NEWS WILL CONTINUE IN THIS POST.. ..untill i fill it up again!
(only 10,000 characters Jarred.. i coudl use a little more space..)

SO, continuing coverage from IBC2005.

The DVX100B and the HVX200 are discuassed in the first post of this thread.
Continuing where i left off.. here's info on the XL(?) and the A1..

***** Canon XL(?)

Ok, there is NOTHING to report about this camera, except that is it coming, and that will will do HDV.. and it has a near identical form factor to the XL2.

Infact, Canon where so tight lipped about it, in saying just that "[you will know/it will be announced at the Canon Expo in NY]" ... to be honest, the thing in the case that the pictures are of, *could* be a decoy, and canon wouldn't have lied.. they are keepign it that quiet.

The rep at IBC was slamost smiling as to the fact that he knew something that he just wasn't allowed to tell... then agian he soinded like maybe he didn't know either.

It is a very carefully orchistrated game that Canon is playing.. I guess they will show is their cards in just a few days time.

I have shot some picutres for an article at www.camcorderinfo.com ..and I will be shooting a few more, closeups, tommorrow that they will supposedly also publish.

We will see what the annoucement tells us of this new camera..





and on a final note for today:

***** Sony HCR-A1 ...this is the palmcorder version of the Z1, and the 'pro' version of the HC1.

It shoots a rather nice picture, and based from looking at it's component feed in an HD monitor, it actualy looked like the chips are ok.. Pity to wase them on HDV really... and it even performed well in the not-so well lit ares of the demo set.



But i did ask one question that is of personal importance to me: The A1 is also a MULTI-STANDARD camera.. just like it's big brother, the Z1, you can switch from 50i/PAL to 60i/NTSC and the camera will reboot in teh new mode.

Very cool if you are just looking for a small palmcorder for traveling around with and shooting DV and DVCAM ..oh yeah, and HDV if you want to. ;-)



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And that concoludes my report for the end of day 2 of IBC 2005. it's 00:30 and I need to back at the tradeshow at 9:30am, so i'm off to bed.

Tommorrow I will be taking some time to scout around the rest of IBC and see what else interesting I can find.

I hope to speak to Jan again, in more lenth about the HVX, and i will be taking new pictures of the XL(?) for camcorderinfo.

-> I will have my laptop at the show tommorrow, so expect an update from the show floor, sometime around mid afternnon my time. And then again a full write up at the end of the day. (Though possibly just a little later as I have a meeting in the evening)

- Mikko
 
Hvx update

Hvx update

Go to the apple booth,
It has a HVX200, the g5 next to it has some p2 footage.
ask if there is any hvx200 footage to show, the guy was showing me footage in 1080i. I'm not sure if it was from hvx200 please can someone check tommorrow?

Here'a a shot from the monitor, it was a shot from color corrected footage. not native from card.

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and more closeups

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SquidLips ,

There will be screw on type teleconverters and wide converter I'm sure.

Also you would be able to achieve narrower DOF by using a device such as the Mini35, micro35 or guerilla 35. There is loads of info on this site about them. In short they give you similar DOF to 35mm film and allow you to use a wide range of additional lenses.
 
Hmm.. every single HVX200 i see has slight differences.. as said, the producion line is not yet running, and all the cmaeras seen to this point are still a prototype.. so take all the pictures with a grain of salt.

- Mikko
 
Lars,

How was the G5 outputing to the cinema display? Could they be improving Desktop cinema mode? I hope so. Could someone check it out.

The DVCPRO deck by the G5 may suggest the footage isn't from the HVX, I doubt Apple would play recorded clips before Pany did.

Also will Apple comment about using 24p and 25p ProHD/HDV in FCP, is it possible?
 
they had a p2 card reader on the g5 with two card inside , so it could have been from the cam. and as you can see it has a battery inside so it's a working prototype

and yes it was outputting to the second monitor in cinema preview mode
 
Not trying to steer off topic, but did I read that right? The HVR-A1 is PAL/NTSC switchable? I thought that it wasn't. Where did you read that? Theres nothing on any Sony site to verify this. In fact, just the opposite. AAArrrgghhh...where do I find the owners manual for that thing!!!!
 
I tested the HVR-A1 , and the cineframe displayed 25fps so it was at least PAL, I did't check for NTSC option (30 fps) because it didn't display it in the cineframe menu. it should be in the manual ....if it's there at all
 
Tibby, you did read right, the HVR-A1 is NTSC/PAL switchable.. ..at least according to the folks at Sony. ... on reading Lar's post, I feel like a right stupid idiot for not just testing it on the damn camera that I was playing with...

I will definatly get over there in the morning and test it personally.

...only 3 more days to go without burning out...

- Mikko
 
lars steenhoff said:
they had a p2 card reader on the g5 with two card inside , so it could have been from the cam. and as you can see it has a battery inside so it's a working prototype

and yes it was outputting to the second monitor in cinema preview mode

Sounds interesting, thanks!

Can you quiz them about it tomorrow? I would also be interested if they have improved the Desktop cinema feature.

Thanks again for all the hard work guys!
 
SquidLips said:
Will the HVX have any capability of using other lens? Even via adaptors?
Certainly adapters will be made available. There will be wide-angle and telephoto adapters, and I think it's already been announced that there will be a mini35 adapter made available. I'm pretty sure that both Micro35 and Guerilla35 have expressed that their products will be made compatible with the HVX.

For me, having various lens possibilities is important unless the zoom on this camera is really capable of giving some nice variants in DOF. But, I doubt it will give me too much in that department (13X I think).
It'll be better than the DVX or Z1 are, but it won't have the same capability the HD100 does (HD100 goes to 88mm, HVX goes to 60mm). With a teleconverter the HVX will be able to provide quite shallow DOF effects indeed.

Keep in mind that *all* 1/3" cameras will deliver absolutely identical depth of field, when at the same focal length and same aperture. The only real difference you're going to find, DOF-wise, between these cameras is when one has a longer maximum telephoto than another. The HD100 has the longest, HVX is second, Z1 is very close behind, and the DVX has the shortest maximum telephoto of the bunch.
 
Mikko,

Thanks for checking out the camera. I just thought of something though, and maybe we should open a new thread for this...but I have to ask (because I haven't been able to get info elsewhere): If the HVR-A1 is NTSC/PAL Switchable why do they have a European (PAL) model number "HVR-A1E" and American (NTSC) model number "HVR-A1U"? I've been dying to know if this is truly switchable for months now. I don't recall the Z1U having a different designation.

Man I'm confused...'sigh'

EDIT: I got these specs from the sony professional site

Specs for HVR-Z1U:
· Video signal system: Switchable NTSC/PAL color system

Specs for HVR-A1U:
· SD Video Signal System: NTSC

The specs don't state that the A1U is switchable
 
DVX book for the 100B?

DVX book for the 100B?

Hey Barry,

Do you think we could still get your DVX book if we wait for the 100B? The $500 rebate is very tempting but I'd like to hold out for the new model.

thanks!
 
jpsheets said:
Hey Barry,

Do you think we could still get your DVX book if we wait for the 100B?
I sincerely hope so! :laugh:

That would be a question for Jan though, as only she can comment on what marketing methods will be used with the 100B in the USA.
 
thisiswells said:
Do you suppose that is a typo? That is near 7% more 'wide angle' than anticipated...
Well, check out ol' "Eagle Eye" Wells! Nice spotting job there, Brian!

I don't know -- that's gotta be a typo, I would guess. Panasonic's repeatedly said "4.5mm", so having 4.2 would be exquisitely cool and most unexpected, but I'd guess it's more likely a case of whoever hand-assembled the prototype just labeled it wrong...
 
A minor topic compared to the others but..........

A minor topic compared to the others but..........

So are there 2 setups of the HVX200 at IBC?
1. At the Panasonic booth
2. At the Apple booth

Here is the evidence:
1. At the Panasonic booth - well everyone seems to say this
2. At the Apple booth - the video posted earlier by Mr. "IIIIS TWO HEEAVY" and by lars.



If indeed its at the Apple booth, is it true that the P2 card reader (which reader is this?!?) is plugged into the G5 (usb or firewire or PCMCIA). And if so, can the G5 read the P2 card outright. If this is all true, then I guess P2 cards are already mac compatable. One exception: lars is spreading bad info. :evil:

Mikko, Thanks for all your help so far. :)


Any thoughts Barry?


markus
 
Barry_Green said:
Well, check out ol' "Eagle Eye" Wells! Nice spotting job there, Brian!
Thanks, Barry! Hey, I like that "Eagle Eye" business... I'll put that down on my custom title wish list if such an occasion arises... :thumbsup: :beer:
 
Tibby.. yeah, you did mention Z1U and Z1E... i belive it's the same with the A1 .. which BTW isn't an SD, but an HD camera ;)
Either way, i will confirm today by actually making the switch with the camera.

I will ask about the wide angle on the HVX.

I'll also go check out apple toway.. they are way across the other side of the show (and this place is huge)

I personally haven't seen any bad info from Lars (there where doubts about the XL2, but really, he broke a story to the world that one-one believed).. what did i miss?

- Mikko
 
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