Stu Siegal
Well-known member
delaro said:
Delaro, you are right to advise waiting for some real world feedback on the Sony, but I am skeptical - I haven't liked a Sony cam since the trv900, and from a service standpoint, Panny or Canon rule.
HVX or A1?
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Delaro, you are right to advise waiting for some real world feedback on the Sony, but I am skeptical - I haven't liked a Sony cam since the trv900, and from a service standpoint, Panny or Canon rule.
Stu Siegal
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ncje said:
ncje, I've been following your thread in othere cameras section, great info. So, simple question - if you had your choice, which would you choose and why? How close do you think you could get the two images to look side by side, in terms of color and 24p quality?
ncje said:
I was using the 1/48 shutter and I was set to standard pulldown not Advanced. My timeline was a 30i in Avid Composer.
Same one I always use for SD Panasonic 24p. (And the Panasonic 24p footage from this event- in the same timeline as the Canon- looks fine.)
The Canon strobe effect is subtle, but it's there.
I've read other comments about this so I know I'm not alone.
IMHO- 24f is not as nice as the 24p of the Panasonic.
As far as colors- yup- I read all about them. There are many tweaks that can be done. I read the manual, researched online (in fact- I read a lot of yours
and played with many of the options. Sure - I could have squeezed out more saturation- but I was a bit concerned about noise- so I kept it somewhat neutral. My settings were not "out of the box".The two cameras are different. I prefer the Panasonic.
Justyn
Veteran
good info.. Is the lens that aweful free floating kind atleast on the zoom? I grew to hate my XL1 lens for that very reason.. Does it have on screen focus meters and all that? I can't wait to see a shoot out.. I am interested in the Canon... hate the Sony cams. Maybe a 2nd HVX might be in order then as I need to get a 2nd cam. The canon was appealing but I would share your hatred of going back to tape after the lovely world of P2...
bring on the shootouts... with all of the new contenders.
bring on the shootouts... with all of the new contenders.
Barry_Green
Moderator
The zoom is the awful free-floating kind, yes. The focus ring can be set to a slow setting which makes it completely usable. It's not repeatable, and you can still move it slowly and have no effect take place on the focus, which is irritating, but for regular use when in slow mode it works fine. Yes there's an on-screen distance meter.
Barry_Green
Moderator
Bokes, I just posted my first impressions over on another thread, and it's refreshing to see that we discovered all the same things and agree on all the same points. Only one I'm not convinced on is the notion that 24F motion is any different than 24P motion, I have to test for that, but other than that I'm right there with ya on all those points. Thanks for taking the time to give us your impressions.
Stu Siegal
Well-known member
Hi Barry, can't find that thread, which one?
Andrew Clark
Active member
DrHST said:
What about archiving solutions?
DC
Cinematographiliac
I would suggest getting an HVX and buy as many of the highest-capacity P2 cards you can afford. And probably a P2 Store too - fasten it to your hip. As time goes on, you're only going to get longer record times as P2 technology grows. Trying to give you the best run n' gun scenario with that camera.DrHST said:
Your in a zodiac following a big gray, there are 2 camera's on this big boy, one with tape and one with P2 the zodiac is up and down, you feel like a bouncing ball, which camera gets the footage and which one skips because of the zodiac movement. P2 cost but in a situation like above they pay off big time.
Brian_Broz
Active member
Please keep in mind that no deck will play the Canon 24F/30F.
Also the XLH1 is an excellent camera in terms of resolution, color and menu setups...the lack of 24F support on HDV VTRs has been a huge inconvenience for a lot of people.
If you're planning to shoot 24F...plan to use the camera for playback or buy a second camera.
Thought I'd mention that.
Regards,
Brian Broz
Also the XLH1 is an excellent camera in terms of resolution, color and menu setups...the lack of 24F support on HDV VTRs has been a huge inconvenience for a lot of people.
If you're planning to shoot 24F...plan to use the camera for playback or buy a second camera.
Thought I'd mention that.
Regards,
Brian Broz
Elton
Veteran
And another tidbit: the Sony HVR-M10U http://news.sel.sony.com/en/image_library/b2b/broadcast_production/content_create_edit/detail?asset_id=7249&archive=1
which I use at work, is nothing more than a pimped out Z1U camcorder transport.
It's a nice unit but it's not like it's any better to shuttle around on then an HDV camcorder.
which I use at work, is nothing more than a pimped out Z1U camcorder transport.
It's a nice unit but it's not like it's any better to shuttle around on then an HDV camcorder.
evilken
Active member
Enough already! The A1/G1 is the low-level prosumer Canon camera. It wasn't intended to compete with the HVX, just as the G1 wasn't really able to compete with the DVX. For one thing, it costs less, and if you can't afford / justify paying a small fortune for an HVX, buy an A1. On the other hand, if you want a Canon alternative to an HVX, but an XL-H1 - although you may have to remortgage the house / sell the car / put the wife on the game - to finance the purchase.
The DVX was a baby film camera - hence the 24/25P capability. Hence the Sundance cinematography award going to a film shot on a DVX. The HVX has progressive HD, variable frame rates, and annoyingly short P2 recording times - just like film. Which is why I bought one. There is nothing worse than having potentially infinate recording time. It tends to result in potentially endless bad footage.
If you love video, go for a Canon. If you love film, and want to do it on the cheap, buy an HVX.
The DVX was a baby film camera - hence the 24/25P capability. Hence the Sundance cinematography award going to a film shot on a DVX. The HVX has progressive HD, variable frame rates, and annoyingly short P2 recording times - just like film. Which is why I bought one. There is nothing worse than having potentially infinate recording time. It tends to result in potentially endless bad footage.
If you love video, go for a Canon. If you love film, and want to do it on the cheap, buy an HVX.
evilken said:
Bleh. Let's not start this. Nobody's gone off on a tangent like this yet. Fact of the matter is, if it were that simple then people wouldn't be purchasing an A1, right? I think there are more than a few members that've picked up H1/A1 because of the quality over the HVX. It's all a matter of what people want.
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evilken
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Kholi said:
Hi Kholi,
OK, point taken, but this is a user group devoted to the DVX/HVX. I shouldn't get SUCH a hard time for being pro-panny. And more so, I was critical of our beloved HVX - referring to the high price, and limited recording times available on P2. I'm currently working on a documentary, and the aformentioned achilles heel is causing me lots of trouble. I don't think I'm the only one who thinks the whole P2 fiasco has been a major headache, but we are early adopters. Tapeless workflow is the future, it just hasn't been handled very well thus far.
All the posts on this site - or any other - are subjective. This is the strength of user forums - you get to hear someone else's opinion, and you can take it or leave it. I come from a film background, and this influences the way I look at video cameras, hence the comparison made in my post. But I do think my point stands: the A1 is not intended to compete with the HVX. Perhaps the G1 is, but not the A1, and as a reminder, this thread is titled "HVX or A1".