Yeah and they wanted it to look consumery, so it should provide a worst case scenario for HVX on the big screen given a film transfer of similar quality.
HVX noise
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Barry_Green
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Exactly.
Barry_Green
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Or maybe there just isn't that much noise to begin with? And film transfer would hide the noise under grain anyway.
I saw it on digital projection (no film transfer involved) and certainly wasn't distracted by noise.
I saw it on digital projection (no film transfer involved) and certainly wasn't distracted by noise.
light your senes properly, get your contrast in camera, not in post and you find that the DSP has alot more information to work with and will produce a clean signal.
Garbage in garbage out people........ 35mm film will look like trash if you dont optomise the scene to be shot for the medium.
Garbage in garbage out people........ 35mm film will look like trash if you dont optomise the scene to be shot for the medium.
Phil Maker
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I have very little problem squashing the noise in low or available light situations by using Barry's methods.
The other night I shot a night scene under just street lights and got very little noise. Here are the settings I used:
- 1080i 24pA
- shutter: 1/24
- detail: +1
- V detail: +5
- detail coring: +5
- master ped: -6
- gamma: B press
- matrix: norm
Yeah there's a bit of motion blur and these are not the most "filmic" settings, but the picture was exposed and looked damn good with very little noise, and in that situation, which isn't the most ideal, I'll take we we got over a noisy underexposed picture any day.
The other night I shot a night scene under just street lights and got very little noise. Here are the settings I used:
- 1080i 24pA
- shutter: 1/24
- detail: +1
- V detail: +5
- detail coring: +5
- master ped: -6
- gamma: B press
- matrix: norm
Yeah there's a bit of motion blur and these are not the most "filmic" settings, but the picture was exposed and looked damn good with very little noise, and in that situation, which isn't the most ideal, I'll take we we got over a noisy underexposed picture any day.
I agree wholeheartedly except perhaps for the one statement above which I would disagree with slightly, IMHO ... jamming the master ped down can reduce noise in camera but it gives everything less info to work with.
And I've seen great results in the final product both in terms of noise and aesthetics when shooting everything flat, and with the master ped down a bit and waaaay down.
Mac for example, always shoots flat. I shot all my stuff with the master ped cranked down going back to Shed on the DVX through Rekindled on the HVX, then started shooting more flat with Schittekatter.
VFX people, regardles of the camera, generally want the most latitude, which is not likely going to be the most contrasty setting.
You can always bring blacks down in post without adding noise. You cannot do the opposite.
YES it does reduce noise for raw footage. But not in a way that I've found can't be replicated in post.
Im not talking about lowering master pedestal. m talking about utilising a 4:1 light contrast ratio that fits nicely in the hvx200's 5-6 useable stops of dynamic range.
a Mod of leisure wouldnt understand....... 
electricpig
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we're sneaking into zone systems here, aka Mr A. Adams...
???a Mod of leisure wouldnt understand.......
too busy throwing B Press Krew signs for a helpful answer?
:grin:
Erik ... anyone? Seriously.
Well usually different film stocks have different recommended shooting contrast ratio, I assume timur is talking about whats most appropriate for the HVX based on its ASA.
When I have been forced to shoot HVX one thing I try to do is keep my exposure levels a little under, this tends to lend more in post.
When I have been forced to shoot HVX one thing I try to do is keep my exposure levels a little under, this tends to lend more in post.
Correct, it looks like crap on purpose, take off the fanboy glasses people! HVX, heck even DVX, can look much better than Cloverfield. Baffling reactions...
On the noise issue, it is a 1/3" CCD thing combined with the Panny color. Even Varicams have some noise. Shooting in 1080 and softening makes no sense though. My preference is noisy situations is black press, MP -5 to -7, detail coring +4. That will hold detail and mask noise.
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