hvx monitor: Dell 2405FPW $780

Has anyone who purchased this Dell monitor used the S-Video input to monitor DVX footage? I plan to use it mostly for the HVX when it comes up but for DVX shoots up until that point, I could use a better monitor than what I'm currently using (a widescreen 7" portable DVD player"). Also, kind of a side note...but would the component inputs work with a PS3 or Xbox 360? I plan on getting one of those and it'd be another plus to get this monitor if I could use it for those new game systems as well.
 
Hope this not too ridiculou a question-

I looked at Dell's 2005 FPW. Less max resolution (1680 x 1200, I believe) quite a bit cheaper (at the moment).

Any thoughts on how useful as monitor for editing/color correction, this would be? Is the bottom line 'Just get the best you can'?
 
just got the 24" last week. looks great. i did use it as a monitor with the component outputs on my kona card and was fairly impressed. it was close enough that i didn't have to rent an hd monitor. the greatest thing is that if i am able to do this 3 more times i will have paid for the monitor in rental savings. the reality is that even if you are off a hair you always have post to deal with it in. i am lucky to have a 50" panny hd lcd for my television and i use it for color correction with a long set of cables. i was impressed how little correction was needed after using dell in the field. like anything you can begin to adjust what you see based on what might be a little weak with a monitor.
 
lightshow said:
Hi Barry,

You don't need the HD-SDI option to view HD on the L5 series (1080/24, 1080i, 1035i, 720p, 480p, 480i) The analog HD looks great, I've pushed all flavors of HD into the monitor, it is a HD monitor straight out of the box. I found that Ross Digital makes a much more affordable HD-SDI input for the L5 if you need a digital HD in.
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I just purchased the Sony PVM-14L5, largely based on this thread. DVXUser forum in action! I plan on using it to do color correction with the HVX200.

My question is, Will the HVX work as a bridge between my NLE (FCP) and the monitor (using the component out connection on the HVX), or will I need a capture card to do this? I've read speculation that the HVX will work for this, but was this ever confirmed by Panasonic or was this demonstrated at the Apple booth at IBC?

I didn't want to wait for someone to test this before buying the monitor because I read that Sony has discontinued the PVM line and I was concerned there wouldn't be any left.
 
jrv3034 said:
Both the Apple 23" and the Dell 24" can display native 1080 HD. The Apple is more expensive because of the nice aluminum frame and good design. The Dell isn't very pretty, but the image quality is *I believe* just as good. And it's cheaper.

Go with the Dell.
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Neither Apple or the Dell 24" will play with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD when they become available. Dells with DVI-HDCP or HDMI input will work with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sorry for jumping in late, instead of sitting in front of the puter I've been out shooting video :)
 
There is an incredible difference in price between the US and Europe:

Price without discount on US Dell site:
959 US dollar

Price without discount on Dell Netherlands website:
1533 US dollar

A difference of almost 600 dollar! How frustrating, since it is not possible to export a US model to Europe.
 
That doesn't sound right to me. Wouldn't a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive in a computer be outputting their signals via the computer's video card, so if the video card supports HD resolution, you'd be able to display it on a high res computer monitor? Maybe you're talking about hooking the panel directly to a stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player.


Konrad said:
Neither Apple or the Dell 24" will play with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD when they become available. Dells with DVI-HDCP or HDMI input will work with Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. Sorry for jumping in late, instead of sitting in front of the puter I've been out shooting video :)
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Barry_S said:
That doesn't sound right to me. Wouldn't a Blu-Ray or HD-DVD drive in a computer be outputting their signals via the computer's video card, so if the video card supports HD resolution, you'd be able to display it on a high res computer monitor? Maybe you're talking about hooking the panel directly to a stand alone HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player.
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Well that depends on if you are trying to play protected or unprotected Blu-Ray/HD-DVD content. Both formats will challenge the monitor to see if it is HDCP eneabled. If the response is "NO HDCP" then the drive will send out a SD 640x480 SD signal. That is the case regardless of a set top box or a computer drive. Windows XP will not support Blu-Ray/HD-DVD, Windows Vista will. No public statement from Apple, search HDCP on Apple.com for zero results.

This is a GOLDen opportunity for Microsoft and the PC makers to force upgrades with the HD carrot. I know this story is under reported. The average person just wants to believe they can buy a new drive and they will good to go. That's just not the case. I'm no exspurt but I did spend 5 years as a blue badge at Microsoft Premier Support and I have done my homework on HDCP. They don't call new technology BLEEDING edge for nothing. Me, I'm sitting HD out till "ALL" the pieces of the HD puzzle are available and fully supported, which may or may not be late 2006.
 
Just to be clear, we're talking about using an Apple 23" or Dell 24" monitor to display HD from an NLE's timeline, not for watching movies in a home theater playing off of Blu-Ray. I'm sure Konrad is correct with all the HDCP stuff, but that's a different issue altogether. One can connect a Dell 24" to a PowerMac with a Decklink HD and view a pixel-for-pixel 1080p image, perfect for editing and color correction. Presumably, one could also connect the HVX directly to the monitor in the field to use as a production monitor. Neither of these involve Blu-Ray, or any of it's associated issues. Right?
 
Correct. If you are working with your own content that is not copy protected you are good to go. Until you want to copy protect your own content then you'll need to write a check for $50,000 for the key.
 
You know I also just invested in a broadcast crt type monitor because I thought the experts are unanimous that you cannot color correct, for broadcast tv, with an lcd type monitor. Am I now seeing a little wiggle room in the consensus? Are there people successfully color correcting on Dell 24" monitors?

jmf
 
Konrad said:
Correct. If you are working with your own content that is not copy protected you are good to go. Until you want to copy protect your own content then you'll need to write a check for $50,000 for the key.
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I was under the impression that HDCP down converts ANY non HDCP signal to SD. It's a primary element of its structure: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HDCP.

I am concerned about what role HDCP will have in the future of the HVX200. I initially envisioned Blu-Ray or HD-DVD as having an integral role how one would deliver HVX200 HD content (storage is a separate issue). But it now appears that if you want to author on any future HD disk format, you will have to foot a hefty license fee. I'm not sure this affects everyone, but it definitely affects lower tier shooters producing work for a wedding or something.

Am I missing something here, or is this a looming obstacle to the future of HD (or at least the HVX).

Sorry if this is off topic. I know we're all talking about the BAD ASS Dell monitor on this thread, but I've been worried about this HDCP issue for a while. Also, I've been working with the Dell 24 since September and it has done nothing but please. Definitely buy it over the Apple.

...and I thank you.
 
I don't know whether blu-ray or HD-DVD will catch on at all, that remains to be seen. Right now you can author high-def content on a regular DVD, and some players are starting to appear that support it (most notably the JVC and the Avel LinkPlayer; I'm sure there will be more). The easiest way to distribute HD content to a mass base of users is on a regular DVD, authored using WMV-HD. That'll play back on Windows PCs, and there is a massive installed base of those. Won't play back on a TV though, unless the customer has one of those rare WMV-HD-enabled DVD players. Still, it's probably a safe bet that the mass base of distribution will be much more likely to have a WMV-HD-enabled computer than that they would have an HD-DVD or Blu-Ray player, at least for the next 5 years or so.
 
On the CRT for color correction question. Yes there is wiggle room as some flat panel displays can now be color calibrated which has always been the benchmark goal.

I'm also sorry this got off track. HDCP and Microsofts plans are documented. As it's not implamented this is all a best guess as to how the hardware that does not exist will work.

I'm hoping like SD DVDs we will be able to create non protected content on the winning blue laser HD disc format. For my little direct to consumer operation I don't think we will lose $50,000 of net profit to pirates, making the encryption key worthless to us.
 
Barry makes some excellent points as usual. The hottest thing in PC's is the Media center PC designed to hook up to a TV, and it supports WMV-HD. Windows Media Center is so hot it helped take AMD past Intel in sales last quarter. The VHS v BetaMax type war between Blu-Ray and DVD-HD already has the big retailers telling the two sides to sort it out before they come to market. Add the fact that a big percentage of the installed HD-TV base does not support HDCP.
 
I should mention that I had mine at a friend's hooked up to his G4 for a few weeks while I waited for my quad to arrive. It worked great, looked great. Today I hooked it up to the quad and it's acting funky. It looks a little washed out, less at the pc setting. It has a pink cast in the gray areas (think FCP), sometimes changing into pink stripes. It does weird things with red sometimes. And some animations play back all messed up. Is it possible that it's the video card?
 
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