Hpx300 rumors

[Mitch Gross]

We now have our video tour of the new HPX300 up on our website. It's quite the camera.

http://www.abelcine.com/articles/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=318&Itemid=34

 

[puredrifting]

From my understanding, the Jellocam effect is simply a by product of a slower rolling shutter scan speed. It doesn't seem impossible for technology to mitigate or at least reduce the Jellocam effects, especially considering that this is brand new technology, designed more recently than the EX1

Plus Jane is on DVX User and has seen dozens of threads, complaining about Jellocam and rolling shutter artifacts. I think that she knows and probably provided market research and feedback to Osaka as this camera was being conceived. The market research and feedback are that pros really hate being limited by Jellocam and rolling shutter artifacts so hopefully Panasonic has addressed those issues with this camera.

I think the whole world is going to CMOS anyway, they sure are in still photography.

Dan

 

[Kholi]

I'm leaving this thread until someone posts footages... >=T

That means YOU Andy und Barry. TY in advanced

 

[Simon Höfer]

Well, it doesn't say it's CMOS. It says it is 3 MOS. Which is not CMOS.

In the Brochure it states the following:

Pick-up Device: 2.2M pixels MOS Image sensor x 3 (1/3-inch interline transfer
type and progressive modes supported)

"Interline Transer" might be the magic word. I read some articles, that 3MOS is probably a mixture of CCD an CMOS. "Interline Transer" is used in CCDs and means that the Pixelinformation is read out all at once. So probably there is no jello vision.

Just my speculation though...

 

[puredrifting]

That would be very cool technology if that is true Simon.

Dan

 

[kevinM]

No variable frame rates? As in no in-camera slow motion?

 

[puredrifting]

It has VFR, same as the HPX170.

Dan

 

[Andrew McMillan]

Hpx 300 1/3-freaking-inch camera. Not impressed at all. :furious3: Not like we need another over priced 1/3 inch camera. example: jvc HD250, sony z27 canon xl-h1.

Really no point over an ex3.

I thought panny was gonna pull a cat out of the bag, but it's really only the same old cat. :huh:

 

[lawriejaffa]

Ooooh well im off - but yep looking forward to footage, and the prices look pretty reasonable for it - so fingers crossed, this guy could become a happy cousin to the hpx500!

Well Andrew i mean be realistic what the heck were you expecting? Please don't tell me 1/2 chip inch chip for a start lol.

 

[Barry_Green]

Barry,
just so we're clear, it has rolling shutter, right?

Yes, just like all other CMOS cameras on the market.

 

[Barry_Green]

The only understatement I can think of is you designed the g*ddam thing.

No, but I spent two weeks with it, so I do know some things about it.

 

[Andrew McMillan]

well come on that's not competitive at all! pretty weak camera if you ask me.

 

[Barry_Green]

AAAAHHHH! Why oh Why did they have to go cmos?

Because people keep clamoring for "native resolution", and CMOS is the ONLY way to get it.

If you don't want CMOS, you can always go with the 500 which is CCD.

At least Panasonic's giving you a choice; I don't think any other manufacturer does. You can get a 300 with CMOS or a 500 with CCD, about the same price (except the 300 includes its lens).

 

[Simon Höfer]

That would be very cool technology if that is true Simon.

Dan

Seems like im wrong

 

[vanvideo]

Watching the Abelcine review of the camera, he says the Firewire port doesn't stream AVC-I. Does that mean live shooting, or from the P2 card?

 

[Barry_Green]

$10,700???

no wonder panasonic is laying off workers

It's this kind of statement that makes people pull their hair out.

Do you know what the MSRP of an EX3 is? $9990. And that's a price drop, because it started out at something like $11,200 or so.

Street price isn't retail price. I expect the street price to be under $9,000 including lens and HD viewfinder. Have you SEEN the 300? Do you know what this is? It's not some half-butted semi-shoulder-mount handheld camera with a magnifying glass stuck over the LCD, it's a real full-size honest-to-goodness broadcast camera. It's not some mini-sized pocket-cam HD250 thing, it's the real deal.

And it's not, in any way, in competition with the HPX170 or HVX200A or anything like that. It is, if anything, in competition with the EX3, HPX500, HD250, and XDCAM-HD models.

 

[Barry_Green]

exactly.....why would anyone buy the HPX300 now when they can get the HPX500 for almost the same price?

And that's the crux of the argument, and the thing about choice. For pixel-counters who can't stand the idea of anyone having more pixels than them, the HPX300 offers about 6.6 million pixels among its three sensors. For those who need CCD instead of CMOS, the HPX500 is available. The 500 is faster, has bigger chips, costs more and needs bigger/more expensive lenses. The 300 is less expensive, sharper, has more features, and records in AVC-Intra. But if CMOS doesn't work for you, it's a non-starter, so you can go for the 500 instead.

At least you have a choice.

 

[Jim Carswell]

Barry, Take your blood pressure pills. We don't want anything to happen to you before you post your review. Or after. From the looks of the brochure and Able video this looks like an exciting addition to the Panasonic tool box. I've been strongly considering a 500 for a new project but the 300 may serve me better. Good quality and less money.
Jim

 

[Tomas Riuka]

should i already throw out my hpx500?

 

[Barry_Green]

Isn't this the same as the 500, except for the chip size?

Not exactly. It is the same size as the 500, and the same general body shape. But it does things the 500 doesn't do (such as the proxy card and the wireless receiver slot and the HD viewfinder/LCD and AVC-Intra). And the 500 does things the 300 doesn't, like having 4 XLR ports and 2/3" chips. But yes, these two are priced somewhat comparably and will probably duke it out in the marketplace.