Hpx300 rumors

MrBill said:
Will this still be P2 ??
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If something is DVCPRO-HD or AVC-Intra, that means it's P2.

If it captures to SDHC, that means AVC-HD.

You can't put DVCPRO-HD or AVC-Intra on an SD card, and you can't put AVC-HD on a P2 card. (well, I mean, I imagine technically it's possible, but they're not going to for whatever reasons. The product lines are well marked and delineated).
 
MrBill said:
Has everyone seen this? Makes me think twice about EX. I definitely want to see this camera.
How would you edit this? Supported on FCP I guess.
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AVC-Intra is supported on FCP now, through the Log & Transfer process over to ProRes. There's a free codec you download from Panasonic's site.

Avid and EDIUS support AVC-Intra natively, and hopefully FCP's next release will as well, although there's been no public announcement or speculation about such that I know of.
 
Kholi said:
I was hoping for something 1/2" or close to use with the new Relays... now what?
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Well, assuming that what's been printed is accurate, what would be to stop you using a 1/3" to 2/3" adapter and using any and every relay and lens ever made? Excepting Canon proprietary mounts, of course. Or use the 1/3" to 1/2" adapter and use EX1/EX3 relays, etc...
 
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alpi69 said:
1/3´´? WTF? one of the reason´s to step up from the HVX200 or HPX170 would be the shallower DOF of the 2/3´´and also the light sensitivity-noise ratio of 2/3´´.
Even if it is a 3mos it probably will have the typical 1/3´´look.

But one never knows. I anyway rather have less res and 2/3´´, kinda like I rather shoot with a 6MP DSLR than a 12MP P&S fotocam.
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Sounds like you'd want the HPX500 then, right?
 
John Caballero said:
Lenses? What interchangeable lens would a 1/3" camera use?
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Not sure why this is such a hard point for people to grasp, but some 1/3" lenses have been available for YEARS.

Heck, JVC makes practically nothing BUT 1/3" interchangeable lenses, using the same bayonet mount that Panasonic used to use on 1/3" SD cameras. So it would be a reasonable assumption that existing lenses from Fujinon and Canon, that work with the HD100/HD100/HD200/HD250, and also the Sony S270 and V7U, would also work.

And, just how hard would it be to use the 1/3" to 2/3" adapter to get access to every 2/3" lens ever made? Or the 1/3" to PL adapter to use film lenses? Or the 1/3" to 2/3" adapter to use the new 2/3" relay lenses for 35mm adapters?

It remains to be seen whether Canon XL lenses would be usable; I don't think anyone ever made an adapter for JVC to use Canon XL lenses.

Fujinon 1/3" lenses:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ...BERM_M48_HTs18x4_2BERM_M48_1_3_18x_ProHD.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._HTS18X4_2BRM_HTs18x4_2BRM_1_3_18x_ProHD.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produ..._2BRM_M48_HTs18x4_2BRM_M48_1_3_18x_ProHD.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/401434-REG/Fujinon_TH13X3_5BRMU_TH13x3_5BRMU_13x_1_3_JVC.html

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/472201-REG/Fujinon_TH17X5BRM_Th17x5BRM_1_3_17x_Lens.html

PL film lens adapter:
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?&feature_id=01&model_id=MDL101683

1/3" to 2/3" converter for using 2/3" B4 lenses:
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?&feature_id=01&model_id=MDL101617

1/3" to 1/2" converter for using 1/2" lenses:
http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/features.jsp?&feature_id=01&model_id=MDL101552

Canon 1/3" bayonet lens (not for XL series):
http://www.canon.com/bctv/products/pdf/KT20x5B KRS1.pdfhttp://www.armatosvideo.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=300
 
welcome back Barry !!!!! I am on the conservative side, I bet ... its 1/3" MOS full rasta with dvcpro HD. The best case scenario would be AVC Intra board is optional just like on the hpx2000. We shall all see tomorrow if this camera even exists.
 
Just landed last night, this is my first time in front of an actual keyboard in two weeks! :) All prior logging in was done from the blackberry storm, and ... yeah, well, nothing beats a real keyboard! :)
 
 
Yeah, there's no way this camera will be under 10,000. It's an update to the HX500 I think.

But it is odd that it would be called the HPX300, if that name has any truth to it.

I'm hoping for 1/2inch full raster CMOS at LEAST, if not 2/3" Full Raster CCD......
 
Barry_Green said:
Not sure why this is such a hard point for people to grasp, but some 1/3" lenses have been available for YEARS.

Heck, JVC makes practically nothing BUT 1/3" interchangeable lenses, using the same bayonet mount that Panasonic used to use on 1/3" SD cameras. So it would be a reasonable assumption that existing lenses from Fujinon and Canon, that work with the HD100/HD100/HD200/HD250, and also the Sony S270 and V7U, would also work.

And, just how hard would it be to use the 1/3" to 2/3" adapter to get access to every 2/3" lens ever made? Or the 1/3" to PL adapter to use film lenses? Or the 1/3" to 2/3" adapter to use the new 2/3" relay lenses for 35mm adapters?

It remains to be seen whether Canon XL lenses would be usable; I don't think anyone ever made an adapter for JVC to use Canon XL lenses.
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Welcome back, Barry.

Wouldn't the examples you gave, for adapters, multiply the focal length in a significant fashion?

Basically a 50 becomes like an 85?

That's what I mean by having a few issues with the 1/3" deal. If the relays are set at the academy equivalent with a 2/3" sensor then the 1/3" Sensor eats into that further.

Or do I have that wrong?

If I were a gun jumper, which as we all know I am (LOL), I'd say right now the best bet for adapter users and this camera might be the EX-3 Letus Relay + a 1/3" to 1/2" Adapter as linked. You'd lose the least amount of FOV that way and, to boot, your rig would be short (accuracy of said statement pending actual camera specs.)
 
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DSWMEDIA said:
Yeah, there's no way this camera will be under 10,000. It's an update to the HX500 I think.

But it is odd that it would be called the HPX300, if that name has any truth to it.

I'm hoping for 1/2inch full raster CMOS at LEAST, if not 2/3" Full Raster CCD......
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If it isn't a 2/3" chip camera it isn't an update to the 500, it would be called the HPX550 or something, not the HPX300.
 
Kholi said:
Wouldn't the examples you gave, for adapters, multiply the focal length in a significant fashion?

Basically a 50 becomes like an 85?
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I always hate that focal length multiplier stuff, because it just leads to confusion. A 50mm lens on a 1/3" camera is a 50mm lens on a 1/3" camera. There is no such thing as "what a 50mm looks like", it all depends on what it mounts to. A 50mm on a 35mm still camera looks different than a 50mm mounted on a 35mm movie camera, which is different from how that same 50mm lens looks like on a Super16 camera, which is different from how it'll look on a 2/3" camera, which is different still from how it'd look on a 1/3" camera.

But if you took an HPX170 and zoomed to 50mm, it'd look exactly the same as if you put a 50mm lens on a 1/3" interchangeable-lens camera.

So... if using a 1/3" to 2/3" adapter, and you used a 21x8.0 lens on that adapter, you'd have a maximum wide angle of 8.0mm. Which will be the exact same 8.0mm as if you'd put on an 8.0mm prime lens from a 16mm movie camera.

So: will a 1/3" to 2/3" adapter give a lens the exact same field of view on a 1/3" camera, as it would have on a corresponding 2/3" camera? No. A 13x5.5mm lens might be extremely wide on a 2/3" camera, whereas it's only reasonably wide on a 1/3".

But you can mount it. Just don't get caught up in focal length conversion factors, and just treat it as it is. For example, the JVC lens is a 16x5.5 (meaning, 5.5mm at the wide end, and 16x zoom factor). That's a 1/3" lens. You would think that putting a 2/3" lens on would magnify the perceived focal length, right? But not really. You can get a 2/3" Canon J11ex4.5 lens, which is an 11x zoom with a 4.5mm wide angle. That'll actually be WIDER on the 1/3" camera than the 1/3" 5.5mm lens would be! A mm is a mm is a mm. The sensor size determines how much you see through that lens, but you shouldn't try to drive yourself too batty trying to remember various magnification factors... compare the lens you're considering against the stock lens and you'll know whether it's wider or more telephoto, and how much so.

And, once you put a 35mm adapter in the mix, you've eliminated all magnification factors from the chip size argument.


That's what I mean by having a few issues with the 1/3" deal. If the relays are set at the academy equivalent with a 2/3" sensor then the 1/3" Sensor eats into that further.

Or do I have that wrong?
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Er... okay, so now that's a good question. Not sure about that one!
 
Yeah! That's what I meant. The relay options that we have are fixed at specific frame sizes or a specific FOV. If the manufacturers have calculated that X = The proper focal length a relay must be to achieve an academy FOV when combined with a 2/3" sensor ( X + 2/3" = 24x36 ) then adding an adapter will definitely turn things a bit "long" as far as focal lengths go.

Again, though, I forgot that 1/2" doesn't seem that far off from 1/3" and-- if I remember properly-- 1/3" and 1/2" are rough estimates of a sensor size to begin with. The 1/3" 3MOS might be closer to 1/2" but doesn't qualify due to various reasons.

So, we take the Letus 1/2" Relay, grab an adapter and we're in the 35mm FOV Ballpark at least.

This is also all assuming that A) The camera has a package that does not include a lens. B) the kit lens is too long or not good enough to handle a 35mm Adapter (Letus Ultimate = My preference).

I personally have no intention of spending thousands on zoom lenses because I'm pretty much married to 35mm Adapters. That's just me!
 
Welcome back Berry!

1/3" Type Sensor is 6mm in size diagonally. A 1/2" is 8mm and 2/3" is 11mm. So to quickly figure out your magnification factor or crop factor you just divide the diagonal dimensions. So a 2/3" Lens on a 1/3" camera would have a 1.8333 magnification.

That is a HJ11x4.7mm 2/3" Canon lens on a 1/3" Camera would look like a 11x8.6mm. Not so wide, but pretty long. I don't think it is worth getting caught up in the magnifications either, but on the wide end it does make a difference.

A relay lens would also be magnified. For instance when I put a Pro35 (2/3" version) on an EX3 I am magnifying the center of the image, or just cropping off the sides if you prefer to think of it that way. I still get the same DOF off the ground glass, but I don't see the whole area my PL mount lens is covering.
 
Exactly, Shipsides. Which is why the jump from a 1/3" to 1/2" Relay probably won't be a major hit on FOV. The 1/2" was designed for the 1/2" sensor so you're gonna end up with something probably in between 16mm and 35mm FOV. Not too bad.
 
I suppose this camera will land somwhere between the 200 and 500. We'll see. If the specs are released tomorrow, it ill sure be an exciting day!
 
More things to come:

AJ-HPX3700, AJ-HPX2700, AG-MC151, AW-HE100, AW-PH405, AK-HC1500,
AW-HE870

AJ-HPS1500, AJ-PCD35, TH-65, AJ-HPG20, J-PCD35, AW-RP655, AV-HS400,
TH-65 und AJ-HPG20

Frank
 
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