Hpx300 rumors

This sounds like a very interesting camera but unless it is well under $10k, it somewhat outdates the HPX500, other than for the fact that the 500 HAS the 2/3" sensor. AVC Intra? Something about film lens usage? Hmm...something seems fishy here.

Dan
 
Jan posted in another thread that she is busy this week training on two new products(would that be P2 Portable and HPX300?) and a press conference(would that be Wednesday about the HPX300?). Seems likely. 1/3" sensors is a disappointment, if true.
 
I agree, if they are going to try to get something to compete/beat the Sony cameras, that is a sticking point with a lot of people, even if they have managed to get full raster out of 1/3" 3MOS, whatever 3MOS is?

If you are going to go CMOS anyway, why not at least match the competition or blow them away with a 2/3" at the same price? Oh well, I never was a marketing major, maybe I just don't get it.

Dan
 
Kholi are you gong to replace your 170 (when you sell it) with anything or are you done with pannasonic?
 
I'm hoping to be done with owning a small camera now that our RED has been updated. But, we'll see.

You just never know these days...
 
Time to sell my HVX? hmmm we'll see. After owning an EX1 im not sure i want to buy another 1/3" camera either.. but avc intra on native 3mos chips would be nice..
 
Have you guys who'd hoped for a larger chip been over to the HPX500 forum to hear the moaning about the price of 2/3" glass? Some 500 owners have even resorted to using standard lenses on that 8 bit camera with no avc-i.
JVC GY-HD200 owners have been using 1/3" lenses on their cameras for a couple of years and love them (except for their kit lens) as have Sony Z7 and 270 owners. Compare the cost of the 1/3" Fujinon TH13x3.5 wide angle at $6,500 to its 2/3" big brother at $13,000, for example, and you'll see why the 1/3" format makes sense to some.
And JVC is now in the process of replacing their 200 series shoulder mounts with the new HM700, yet ANOTHER 1/3" CCD camera (now with the QT codec and SDHC recording). So there will be a market for these 1/3" interchangeable lenses in the future.
Hopefully Panasonic has come up with a winner with this 3MOS chip. I'm looking forward to the field tests.
 
BerkeleyBob said:
Have you guys who'd hoped for a larger chip been over to the HPX500 forum to hear the moaning about the price of 2/3" glass? Some 500 owners have even resorted to using standard lenses on that 8 bit camera with no avc-i.
JVC GY-HD200 owners have been using 1/3" lenses on their cameras for a couple of years and love them (except for their kit lens) as have Sony Z7 and 270 owners. Compare the cost of the 1/3" Fujinon TH13x3.5 wide angle at $6,500 to its 2/3" big brother at $13,000, for example, and you'll see why the 1/3" format makes sense to some.
And JVC is now in the process of replacing their 200 series shoulder mounts with the new HM700, yet ANOTHER 1/3" CCD camera (now with the QT codec and SDHC recording). So there will be a market for these 1/3" interchangeable lenses in the future.
Hopefully Panasonic has come up with a winner with this 3MOS chip. I'm looking forward to the field tests.
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That's a very good standpoint on the subject and I totally respect that. At the same time, it's also about what we're "guessing" the images will look like.

We've gotten something superb out of the EX-1's 1/2" sensor and, despite the most of us not being engineers, we can only guesstimate that a 1/3" CMOS (3MOS) sensor won't really match a 1/2" CMOS sensor.

Now, that said, there are a few things that might change all that but I suppose it's all about the footage.

My own personal, and major, concern is dealing with the 1/3" Mount and finding a relay to use with a 35mm Adapter. I'm not goin to be spending money on lenses.
 
As far as i understood they only plan hpx300 for this year and it will we hpx500 competitor because it's a shoulder camera. And for the october of 2010, 1/3″ 3MOS HPX251(PAL Version) with AVC-I...:)

Lumi
 
puredrifting said:
But Barry has said that Panasonic is averse to 1/2" chips for some reason.
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I was at SMPTE Australia when the boss of Panasonic Australia, Rob Myers, pretty much laid out that Panasonic thinks 1/2" is 1/2-assed. (my words, not his).

Whether we as individuals or businesses agree is one thing, but after the presentation he made, I would be very surprised if Panasonic Broadcast produced any 1/2" models.
 
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Carlos Corral said:
Do you think this HPX300 would shoot both DVCProHD & AVC-Intra?
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There's no official confirmation yet one way or the other, but every other AVC-Intra product (HPX3700, HPX3000, HPX2700, HPX2000, P2 Mobile, and HPG20 P2 Portable) all support DVCPRO-HD as well.

I know that final cut has to encode AVC-Intra using Prores 422 HQ so the file sizes would be killer.
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Well, not like from AVC-HD though. I mean, yes, the file sizes will be the same (about 170mbps I think) but AVC-Intra starts at 100 megabits, so the increase up to 170 is big, about 70%, but it's not like the file size increase from AVC-HD (where the files go from 21mbps up to 170mbps, an increase of over 600%).

Unless FCP is going to add native editing for the AVC-Intra format?
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We can only hope. Avid and EDIUS both have native AVC-Intra editing. Apple has announced plans for native AVC-HD codec support, so hopefully they will also add AVC-I.
 
David Odell said:
Can't there be a 1080 full raster on a 3CCD chip?
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Yes, but not under 2/3" size. And certainly not progressive.

You can get 1920x1080x60i on 2/3" CCD with the HPX3000/HPX3700. But in 1/2" the best anyone's made so far, in CCD, is 1440x1080x60i. Not full raster, and not 60p.

If you want 1920x1080, or 1280x720x60p, you have to have 2/3". Or go CMOS. You could do 1920x1080x60p on 1/3" CMOS, but not 1/3" CCD. At least not yet; who knows what the future may bring.
 
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