Hpx300 rumors

It is happening, as a matter of fact.

It will be 1/3", interchangeable lens, will come with Fujinon XT17x4.5 as standard.

I guess they're trying to come up with a new niche. Hope MOS will do, and won't have the rolling shutter issue as Sony CMOS does.
 
I would prefer a smaller camera instead of something larger.
Smaller and less expensive media, with full raster. for now, that is all I want.

It's like VCR's..yeah my grandfather had one that was 20 pounds, now the last one was about 2 pounds, and since then replaced by a dvd or bluray... Smaller lighter, and better.

I can see shoulder mounts having removable lenses, but small cameras are better served as having one lens to do closeup and very wide shots.

I would love to buy another panasonic camera, but the way it looks, they need to play catch up quick.

With the Canon 5d mark II still camera that can shoot full 35mm frame video,
I am sure that technology will dump into the video cameras real soon.

Scarlet will be here soon,

EX1 is her now...

Panasonic? Yeah the HMC150 is really good in the $3,000 segment, but what about
between $3,000 to $6,000...they got nothin'
 
Typo, you're making some bold claims there. You've made exactly two posts on DVXUser, both of 'em claiming things that we haven't heard or read about anywhere on the web. Care to reveal your source?
 
Green Hornet said:
Panasonic? Yeah the HMC150 is really good in the $3,000 segment, but what about
between $3,000 to $6,000...they got nothin'
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"nothin'" but the best-selling, most popular, most widely-used, most-adopted HD camcorders in the business. Of course, if that's "nothin'" to you, I guess there's nothing to be said.
 
typo said:
I guess they're trying to come up with a new niche. Hope MOS will do, and won't have the rolling shutter issue as Sony CMOS does.
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Who would "they" be?

Don't know where your information is coming from, but as they say at the racetrack, "this is a horse that won't run."

Without some independent verification of where you are deriving all these specifics, and given that they arise in your first two posts, you have pretty long odds.

Let us know
 
Can I crash at one of your places? Cause my wife is gonna be PISSSED when she finds out we spent all that money on nothing!
 
A 1/3" chip set in a 13lb. camera body would be the worst or both worlds all in one inconvenient package.

Since we're talking horse racing, my bet is for an HPX500 replacement with the same or similar sensors, form factor with the addition of AVC Intra releasing prior to NAB.

I would bet against CMOS, 1/3" chips of any kind and a detachable lens for 1/3" chips(what would the point be?).

Until Typo reveals his or her source, there is no credibility.
 
I'm 100% with Jeff on this one. We either have reliable info or let's not waist our time with rumors.

No interest in another 1/3" chip camera, but I'll be carefully looking at the HPX500 replacement.
Of course, with the average presentation/release date chasm it will be close to Scarlet and all, so the game will be quite different by then.

Alex
 
alexdias said:
I
No interest in another 1/3" chip camera, but I'll be carefully looking at the HPX500 replacement.
Of course, with the average presentation/release date chasm it will be close to Scarlet and all, so the game will be quite different by then.

Alex
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Alex,

I'm pretty sure you'll be seeing something from Panasonic by February.
 
I know its been said 3 times already, but what would be the point of interchangeable lenses on a 1/3" sensor camera? that would make no sense, and I don't believe Panasonic would do that.

And I really hope they stick with CCD's.
 
I know its been said 3 times already, but what would be the point of interchangeable lenses on a 1/3" sensor camera? that would make no sense, and I don't believe Panasonic would do that.
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JVC has been selling an interchangeable-lens 1/3" HDV camera for about four years now. In fact, that's pretty much all they make anymore in their pro line.

Panasonic used to offer an interchangeable-lens 1/3" camera as well, back in the DVCPRO days. I believe it even used the same lens mount.

Canon has been offering an interchangeable-lens 1/3" camera for about nine years, starting with the original XL1, then XL1s, then XL2, then XLH1, and now they offer two, the XLH1s and the XLH1a.

Sony currently offers at least two interchangeable-lens 1/3" units, the HVR-S270U and the HVR-Z7U.

So obviously interchangeable-lens at 1/3" isn't really a problem, nor would it be bizarre. It seems like "everyone's doing it" so I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic did the same.

And I really hope they stick with CCD's.
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As for CCD, it's not possible to do a 1920x1080 CCD at anything smaller than 2/3". So if there *is* an HPX300, and if it *is* 1920x1080, and if it *is* CCD, then that will pretty much guarantee that it's 2/3". And priced accordingly. An HPX500 competitor/replacement perhaps; but the smaller proposed model number would imply something different.

It's probably possible to do 1920x1080 on 1/3" on CMOS (or, whatever it is that Panasonic has developed that they call "3MOS" on their consumer lineup; haven't figured out exactly what that's all about.) So if there's an HPX300 and it's 1920x1080 and 1/3", then that pretty much guarantees that it'll be CMOS or 3MOS or some variation thereof.

If it's 1/3" CCD, that's gonna mean spatial offset and low pixel count. If it's 2/3" CCD, that's going to mean a high price tag. If it's 1/3" and CMOS, presumably a lower price tag would apply.
 
Barry_Green said:
Panasonic used to offer an interchangeable-lens 1/3" camera as well, back in the DVCPRO days. I believe it even used the same lens mount.

So obviously interchangeable-lens at 1/3" isn't really a problem, nor would it be bizarre. It seems like "everyone's doing it" so I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic did the same.

If it's 1/3" CCD, that's gonna mean spatial offset and low pixel count. If it's 2/3" CCD, that's going to mean a high price tag. If it's 1/3" and CMOS, presumably a lower price tag would apply.
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Barry,

I'm pretty sure this new camera is not a palmcorder form factor, so a 1/3" sensor of whatever type in a full size shoulder mount camera doesn't make sense.

I don't see Panasonic going 1/2" because Sony did. Ditto CMOS. I see an HPX500, perhaps for less money, with AVC Intra. 2/3" CCD's, pixel shifted, 10 bit recording, hopefully a better viewfinder.

We will know in a couple of months.
 
I would love something like the HPX-170 but with something like a standard Nikon lens mount. I'd like to put an end to the whole 35 adapter nonsense. I know they work, I use one, you use one, but cmon seriously...they are a pain in the a$$.

AVC Intra would be a plus too.
 
JesterJJZ said:
I would love something like the HPX-170 but with something like a standard Nikon lens mount. I'd like to put an end to the whole 35 adapter nonsense. I know they work, I use one, you use one, but cmon seriously...they are a pain in the a$$.
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But then you would have to have 35mm sensor, and that puts it in another class all together. Nikon mount alone wouldn't give you the FOV.
 
JesterJJZ said:
I would love something like the HPX-170 but with something like a standard Nikon lens mount. I'd like to put an end to the whole 35 adapter nonsense. I know they work, I use one, you use one, but cmon seriously...they are a pain in the a$$.

AVC Intra would be a plus too.
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Yeah that would be great, but a 1/3" sensor is = to about an 8mm frame, and a 2/3" = to about a 16mm frame. The sensor would have to be over an inch to be used with Nikon lenses.

Red is coming out with a camera in 09 that has a full frame sensor and Nikon mount, but then again its CMOS, and the brain itself will be $7,000.
 
All the cameras Barry mentioned are shoulder mount 1/3" HD cameras, so they must make sense to those who've bought and are using them. And the fact that both Fujinon and Canon make several 1/3" HD lenses, including $9K wide angles means 1/3" HD interchangeables make sense to them as well. One of the major complaints owners have about the HPX500 is that 2/3" glass costs more than the camera. And a lot of 500 users are trying to get by using SD lenses instead . Where's the sense in that? If you can build a 1/3" P2 camera that takes advantage of Canon and Fujinon's existing range of 1/3" HD glass selling at half the cost of their 2/3" lenses, why not? Especially if that camera features AVC Intra and costs less than the HPX500 which doesn't have that feature? Another thing, this thread has been active for two months now and not a word of denial by Jan which seems curious. She's typically not shy about denouncing rumors and correcting misinformation. Of course, if there is a HPX300 on the drawing board her nda would preclude her from commenting about it even if some of the disclosed facts are wrong. Jan, would you care to comment?
 
My source is from Panasonic directly. This information is still not for public.

Actually, I too was hoping they'd take a different route and avoid using MOS for their pro line. We'll just have to wait and see.
 
Well typo, if you were looking to get a lot of replies with your first, second and third posts, I think you succeeded.

Rather than join speculation, I'd rather wait and see what happens next spring.


Jason
 
mrbrycel said:
Red is coming out with a camera in 09 that has a full frame sensor and Nikon mount, but then again its CMOS, and the brain itself will be $7,000.
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Yes, but it's their new CMOS sensor which is a lot faster. The numbers will match the speed of a rolling shutter on a film camera.

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