HPX250 vs HPX300

Since some prototypes are out in the field, any update on the ergonomics and lens quality of the 250?
 
Is it normal for Panasonic to be so stingy about getting independent evaluations out to the public before the first ship date?
 
Like any new camera, once footage get released, it's immediately scrutinized. Lets say Panasonic is still working on it and people with pre production units release video samples in which some of them has issue that will be fixed in the production versions, their will already be a lot of bad publicity before the camera is released. It looks like Panasonic wants to play it safe this time.
 
Panasonic is great when it comes to undercutting the competition with cheap camcorders and solid features, they are also great at not releasing them.

It's almost a whole year since the 3100 was announced, but good luck finding anything besides product brochures. At this rate, the 250 may as well be out next year.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure that some Panny engineer out there is holding an HPX600 prototype or whatever they'll call it, and it won't be announced till who knows when.

For all the huge advancements in technology as of late, I'm surprised that the video world is stuck in the mud somewhat, at least the video world that doesn't rely on ridiculously huge sensors or 3D...
 
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Kolor-Pikker said:
Panasonic is great when it comes to undercutting the competition with cheap camcorders and solid features, they are also great at not releasing them.

It's almost a whole year since the 3100 was announced, but good luck finding anything besides product brochures. At this rate, the 250 may as well be out next year.

Also, I'm pretty damn sure that some Panny engineer out there is holding an HPX600 prototype or whatever they'll call it, and it won't be announced till who knows when.

For all the huge advancements in technology as of late, I'm surprised that the video world is stuck in the mud somewhat, at least the video world that doesn't rely on ridiculously huge sensors or 3D...
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i dont seem to have that problem...
 
What problem, staying up to date on technology? Here in Russia it's alright to use grossly outdated technology where in other countries you'd just get laughs, and the only way to learn about anything new is from the internet, because there are no specialists here to give you detailed info. Good luck setting up a demo or something.
 
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Kolor-Pikker,you have great mastery of the English language! I studied Russian 30 years ago, have forgotten most of it, but loved it.
 
Thanks, alas I don't quite speak as naturally as I write, but well enough to translate to and from either one. I find using English is more natural for me on the internet, especially since all the good web sites are mostly in English. There is maybe only one Russian forum I've found that has anything to do with high-end video worth visiting, which isn't much compared to the community on here and DV info.

It doesn't take a genius to look at Russian television programming today and see that it sucks pretty badly compared to anywhere else, really. They're always showing detective shows, war/gunfight shows, lame attempts as sitcoms and the bane of modern mother Russia: "Эстрада" - which roughly translates to "stage show" and essentially boils down to pop singers going out stage and singing popular songs. The concept may sound simple and familiar to something you may have seen, but the Russian variety is just soulless and talentless enough to make one promptly turn off the TV or go out of the room. No one's being judged as it's not necessarily a contest, it's just people dressed in drag going out on stage with flashing lights, sweeping camera pans, roaring crowd, and your brain cell count dropping at a rate proportional to the significance of the event.

Of course, all of these shows are also shot at 50i/50P frame rates so everything has a smooth consumer cam look to it, perhaps to compensate for the crappy look of Cable or Sat TV here... or rather lack-thereof. While America has happily moved on to all-digital TV, it's actually a new thing here, with most people still sitting on analog, not that digital broadcast is any better; the quality is still atrocious and looks like up-scaled DVD quality at best. Blu-Ray has yet to catch on in the mass market, if you have a 1080p plasma with a BR player and a disk collection, expect all your neighbors to come knocking on your door with beer and dried fish snacks.

Which is why if I am lucky, I will go to New York in the coming months and stay there long enough to avoid New Years celebrations in Moscow... and start my own company.
 
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Cool. Just remember New York is New York, quite unique, great for the right person, just don't judge the whole country by your experiences in New York!
 
Oh, I know that, I've lived there for a while, and I go to America twice a year on business. I've also been to Pennsylvania, traveled on up to Maine, Washington DC and down to Florida as well, so I think I have the east coast covered.
 
Kolor-Pikker said:
Thanks, alas I don't quite speak as naturally as I write, but well enough to translate to and from either one. I find using English is more natural for me on the internet, especially since all the good web sites are mostly in English. There is maybe only one Russian forum I've found that has anything to do with high-end video worth visiting, which isn't much compared to the community on here and DV info.

It doesn't take a genius to look at Russian television programming today and see that it sucks pretty badly compared to anywhere else, really. They're always showing detective shows, war/gunfight shows, lame attempts as sitcoms and the bane of modern mother Russia: "Эстрада" - which roughly translates to "stage show" and essentially boils down to pop singers going out stage and singing popular songs. The concept may sound simple and familiar to something you may have seen, but the Russian variety is just soulless and talentless enough to make one promptly turn off the TV or go out of the room. No one's being judged as it's not necessarily a contest, it's just people dressed in drag going out on stage with flashing lights, sweeping camera pans, roaring crowd, and your brain cell count dropping at a rate proportional to the significance of the event.

Of course, all of these shows are also shot at 50i/50P frame rates so everything has a smooth consumer cam look to it, perhaps to compensate for the crappy look of Cable or Sat TV here... or rather lack-thereof. While America has happily moved on to all-digital TV, it's actually a new thing here, with most people still sitting on analog, not that digital broadcast is any better; the quality is still atrocious and looks like up-scaled DVD quality at best. Blu-Ray has yet to catch on in the mass market, if you have a 1080p plasma with a BR player and a disk collection, expect all your neighbors to come knocking on your door with beer and dried fish snacks.

Which is why if I am lucky, I will go to New York in the coming months and stay there long enough to avoid New Years celebrations in Moscow... and start my own company.
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Ah I see Simon Cowell and his X-factor machine has hit your country too, as you say soul less TV for the masses but it makes him huge amounts of money and he contributes nothing to anyones culture!
 
Pretty much, yeah. Also, I wouldn't say it doesn't contribute to our culture, because it's actually taking away! And the big money wouldn't be as big of a problem if these combination popstars/crooners/actors (yes, they do everything) weren't also involved in politics. It's not someone doing these things for them, they are doing it for themselves, self-contained economy style.

Up until a couple of years ago, Moscow was littered with gambling houses on literally every street that sometimes made you feel if you hadn't stepped into Vegas by accident, and after an outlaw of all gambling was passed in Moscow city and it's out-laying regions, we started to get some interesting information. Specifically, that at least half of these establishments were actually own by the most popular stage show actress in Russia! Some of them are relatives or "favorites" of people working for the government, or are actually deputies themselves... In any case, I don't want to go in too deep on this topic, but the point is that it's not so much a "Fad" that comes and goes, as it is a plague.
 
Kolor-Pikker said:
Thanks, alas I don't quite speak as naturally as I write, but well enough to translate to and from either one. I find using English is more natural for me on the internet, especially since all the good web sites are mostly in English. There is maybe only one Russian forum I've found that has anything to do with high-end video worth visiting, which isn't much compared to the community on here and DV info.

It doesn't take a genius to look at Russian television programming today and see that it sucks pretty badly compared to anywhere else, really. They're always showing detective shows, war/gunfight shows, lame attempts as sitcoms and the bane of modern mother Russia: "Эстрада" - which roughly translates to "stage show" and essentially boils down to pop singers going out stage and singing popular songs. The concept may sound simple and familiar to something you may have seen, but the Russian variety is just soulless and talentless enough to make one promptly turn off the TV or go out of the room. No one's being judged as it's not necessarily a contest, it's just people dressed in drag going out on stage with flashing lights, sweeping camera pans, roaring crowd, and your brain cell count dropping at a rate proportional to the significance of the event.

Of course, all of these shows are also shot at 50i/50P frame rates so everything has a smooth consumer cam look to it, perhaps to compensate for the crappy look of Cable or Sat TV here... or rather lack-thereof. While America has happily moved on to all-digital TV, it's actually a new thing here, with most people still sitting on analog, not that digital broadcast is any better; the quality is still atrocious and looks like up-scaled DVD quality at best. Blu-Ray has yet to catch on in the mass market, if you have a 1080p plasma with a BR player and a disk collection, expect all your neighbors to come knocking on your door with beer and dried fish snacks.

Which is why if I am lucky, I will go to New York in the coming months and stay there long enough to avoid New Years celebrations in Moscow... and start my own company.
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I live in the Washington DC metro area. Plenty of ExPat Russians around here.
 
Link is broken / doesn't work.

Not that I expect a Youtube vid to help with judging quality, what with all the compression.
 
'Sup with the interlaced footage? Who shoots interlaced anymore? Especially if it's gonna be shown on the net... Head hurts.
 
Hpx250 demo in our hands for two days starting tuesday sept 20. Get your requests in for footage you want to see. 1080 avc intra100 24p, edit in fcp, up load to vimeo 25,000 kb/sec. High contrast, tight fabric patterns, lowlight... I am wondering how the image will differ from the 370. Is the strength of this camera simply in the price and form factor? People still want to see the footage though...
 
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