HPX170 - A Second Look

USLatin said:
So from the lack of response, my estimation of the work-load of R&D required, and money, and the little time left for the release, then I suppose that the DRS in 23.976fps is never going to happen on the 170 right Barry?
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It cannot happen on this camcorder. The memory required for this is not in the body.

Thanks,

jan
 
Ok, thanks Jan! Sorry about beating a dead horse.

I hope that by the time the 170a comes out that the DRS will not only be included for all frame rates but also that it is the one used on the 3000 and not a toned down version. What's the word on that? Will the DRS on the 170a be every bit as good as on the top cameras?
 
USLatin said:
Ok, thanks Jan! Sorry about beating a dead horse.

I hope that by the time the 170a comes out that the DRS will not only be included for all frame rates but also that it is the one used on the 3000 and not a toned down version. What's the word on that? Will the DRS on the 170a be every bit as good as on the top cameras?
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Hi,

The HPX170 has not even delivered, so looking to include something on its replacement is more than premature. Keep in mind that there is a price point to all items. Just yesterday I got a tour of the "corner room" in the factory where all of the parts and pieces for a product are placed priced and tabulated. It was pretty facinating. Each piece is calculated on its cost of manufacture, the cost of R & D behind the software, if that is a chip, the cost of assembly, etc. The HVX200 has roughly about 4500 pieces to it. The big cameras have about 10,000. Trying to make the small camera do what the big cameras do is sometimes possible but not always. At this time the technology and the cost factors prohibit DRS in 24P on the less expensive camera. Will that always be true, well Variable Frame Rate wasn't possible on a small camera until we had the technology that made that happen, we will likely lead the way again, but as it stand the replacement for the AG-HPX170 isn't even on the table or in the room for that matter. ;-)

Hope this helps,

Jan
 
whoa!!! everything looks very interesting!!!! man you can geek for days what should i aim for ,as far as new cams go.hvx hpx im still dvx!!
whoa!!!?there all so cool!!!
m.d.
 
Talk about fanatics! You guys are complaining about features that you have never even used on a camera that isn't even out yet? Only on DVX User!

I love my HVX-200 so I know that the HPX-170 is going to kick butt. Really looking forward to this one.

Dan
 
Jan_Crittenden said:
Hi,

The HPX170 has not even delivered, so looking to include something on its replacement is more than premature. Keep in mind that there is a price point to all items. Just yesterday I got a tour of the "corner room" in the factory where all of the parts and pieces for a product are placed priced and tabulated. It was pretty facinating. Each piece is calculated on its cost of manufacture, the cost of R & D behind the software, if that is a chip, the cost of assembly, etc. The HVX200 has roughly about 4500 pieces to it. The big cameras have about 10,000. Trying to make the small camera do what the big cameras do is sometimes possible but not always. At this time the technology and the cost factors prohibit DRS in 24P on the less expensive camera. Will that always be true, well Variable Frame Rate wasn't possible on a small camera until we had the technology that made that happen, we will likely lead the way again, but as it stand the replacement for the AG-HPX170 isn't even on the table or in the room for that matter. ;-)

Hope this helps,

Jan
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Thanks for the additional info Jan!
I really hope you guys do lead the way cause I feel like Panasonic is sorta my girlfriend or something... hehe... I didn't mean for that to sound weird in any way though. I am, to be honest, a little worried about Scarlet.. I know, it isn't out yet, but I am wondering if there are any plans from Panasonic to make 2K cameras.. I know, I shouldn't have even brought it up at all... and they are completely different beasts... for TV distribution all you need is 1080p, but a little more than the final output is always the way to go and I would love to be able to stay loyal, I am comfortable here you know. How cool would it be if out of the usual suspects only Panasonic calls Red's raise... it would only make sense if you were the ones to do it first since here is where we got the DVX, then the HVX... I want it to happen... can it happen any time soon? Or is Jim just pumping money like crazy and losing most of it just to make a name for himself in this industry?
 
USLatin said:
cause I feel like Panasonic is sorta my girlfriend or something... hehe...
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U.S. Latin, we gotta have a talk... This is creepy and weird on so many levels ;-) My HVX is more like a dog, faithful, fetches my paper but unlike a dog, it doesn't leave "presents" on the lawn.

Dan
 
can't wait to get more specific facts on the camera.

hopefully it will be available in Europe the same time when it comes out in the US
 
puredrifting said:
U.S. Latin, we gotta have a talk... This is creepy and weird on so many levels ;-) My HVX is more like a dog, faithful, fetches my paper but unlike a dog, it doesn't leave "presents" on the lawn.

Dan
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Well, I am sorry if I creped you out, but just so you don't feel too weird about it, I have never tried humping my HVX... yet. :)

And, Jan, I wanted to say one more time, sorry about bringing Scarlet up, but once this camera is also out it will have a direct and unavoidable impact on the HPX so I feel I am the bad guy for talking about it but I can't help myself.
 
What? No! Don't scare me William, it will be full 1920x1080 like the HVX, not 1440 or 1280... unless you are talking about the sensor's pixel count before the pixel shift step takes place in which case I don't remember the exact native pixel count but as far as I know the sensor didn't get any additional pixels, it just got better... right?
 
USLatin said:
What? No! Don't scare me William, it will be full 1920x1080 like the HVX, not 1440 or 1280... unless you are talking about the sensor's pixel count before the pixel shift step takes place in which case I don't remember the exact native pixel count...
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The image CREATED in the camera will be 1920 x 1080. The image RECORDED in DVCProHD will be 1280 x 1080 (as per the DVCProHD codec). Just like the HVX.

Neither of these has to do with the sensors' pixel count. And there is no "pixel shift step"--the chips are permanently situated so that the green photosites are in the places where the registers are for the blue and red chips.
 
Using the DVCProHD codec, it will be 1280 x 1080 for NTSC formats and 1440 x 1080 for Pal formats.

The HD-SDI output will be 1920 x 1080.
 
Ok, so the recorded is 1280 x 1080? So DVCPRO HD is automatically unfolded or up-rezzed or something?!?! I shouldn't even ask... ok, well, William I had a weird feeling about it since you never give anything but excellent advise man!
You guys just spare me the whole thing :)
 
Dxmetal said:
https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/pro-av/sales_o/p2/ag-hpx170/AGHPX170PE_Pre.pdf

Not good. No mention of 50/60hz nor ability to get factory upgrade on 50/60hz
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I believe that Jan has already stated that the camera will not be switchable. What was still being contemplated was making the switchability available as an extra cost service center mod.

A lot of people want that but Panasonic has their reasons for not taking the same route as Sony. Not saying I agree with it but if it bugs you too much, buy an EX-1, right? ;-)

Dan
 
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