Zander
Well-known member
I never knew. That's a wonderful little feature.
HPX170 - A Second Look
- Thread starter Barry_Green
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I never knew. That's a wonderful little feature.
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
so its confirmed, no 50/60hz switchable 
http://www.spec-comm.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=785
http://www.spec-comm.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=785
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
I think they all are waiting for panasonic to tell them the "lowest acceptable street price", $5995 is probably the MSRP. I hope it will still come with a free 16 gig p2 card or better still a 32 gig card 
I think they all are waiting for panasonic to tell them the "lowest acceptable street price", $5995 is probably the MSRP. I hope it will still come with a free 16 gig p2 card or better still a 32 gig card
Oh, yeah I know it's the MSRP. Just that the EX3 being listed at 8320, EX1 at 6999.99 (and less than that used), 5999.99 even MSRP scares me. But I'm sure it'll be low 5's.
Septembers long off anyway, time to play the wait n'see game.
LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
I hope in order to counter the ex3, we will all get a free 32 gig p2 card or 2x 16 gig (even with mail in rebate) ! heheheh
which part of the spec com website states that it is not ntsc/pal switchable? sorry, i just want to make sure because this feature is so darn important to me T.T
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Jason Ramsey
Admin
Without Pal/NTSC it should be lower priced in my humble opinion.
More and more cameras are coming with PAL/NTSC capabilities either out of the box or as a factory upgrade option, and it's something I see becoming the norm sooner rather than later.
I understand their hesitation in consideration of the option, but it's one area that this camera will be behind the times in in my opinion.
Maybe it won't matter to a lot of their customers, but I think as more and more cameras come out that do offer it, it may be a selling point that will cause someone to lean in another direction all other things being "relatively" equal.
I would pay more for this feature. I would pay for a factory upgrade of this feature (if the store price is more in line with the current HVX pricing), and it is a feature that (for me) will strongly impact my next camera purchase(s).
ah, well... Can't win 'em all.
I really hope they at least offer it as a factory upgrade option. I'd be entirely happy with that. It's there if you need it.
Later,
Jason
More and more cameras are coming with PAL/NTSC capabilities either out of the box or as a factory upgrade option, and it's something I see becoming the norm sooner rather than later.
I understand their hesitation in consideration of the option, but it's one area that this camera will be behind the times in in my opinion.
Maybe it won't matter to a lot of their customers, but I think as more and more cameras come out that do offer it, it may be a selling point that will cause someone to lean in another direction all other things being "relatively" equal.
I would pay more for this feature. I would pay for a factory upgrade of this feature (if the store price is more in line with the current HVX pricing), and it is a feature that (for me) will strongly impact my next camera purchase(s).
ah, well... Can't win 'em all.
I really hope they at least offer it as a factory upgrade option. I'd be entirely happy with that. It's there if you need it.
Later,
Jason
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LuckyStudio 13
The Tapeless One
I completely agreed with Jason. Think bout it, hpx 170 with 50/60 will be a perfect B cam for its bigger brothers, the hpx500, 2000....etc, which all have the 50/60 switching capabilities. Without the 50/60 features, it means u gotta buy ntsc / pal specific camera.
Before you say why not just use hpx 500 as a B cam ? Well consider ....
a) Try find a reasonable priced water housing for a big eng shoulder mounted cam
b) Hpx 170 would be perfect on the smaller and cheaper steadicam (like the steadicam Pilot).
c) Hpx 170 as B cam used with 35mm adapter for those shallow DOF shots. A Letus B4 relay alone will cost ~ $4500.
d) Car mounting a 2/3" eng camera means bigger and expensive rigs.
e) Hpx 170 would be perfect crash cam.
f) Hpx 170 can go where camera weight and camera agility are important.
JVC and Sony have 50/60 switchable stock on their cameras and Canon offers 50/60 switchable as an aftermarket factory upgrade.
So, Panasonic .... how bout it ?
Before you say why not just use hpx 500 as a B cam ? Well consider ....
a) Try find a reasonable priced water housing for a big eng shoulder mounted cam
b) Hpx 170 would be perfect on the smaller and cheaper steadicam (like the steadicam Pilot).
c) Hpx 170 as B cam used with 35mm adapter for those shallow DOF shots. A Letus B4 relay alone will cost ~ $4500.
d) Car mounting a 2/3" eng camera means bigger and expensive rigs.
e) Hpx 170 would be perfect crash cam.
f) Hpx 170 can go where camera weight and camera agility are important.
JVC and Sony have 50/60 switchable stock on their cameras and Canon offers 50/60 switchable as an aftermarket factory upgrade.
So, Panasonic .... how bout it ?
Barry_Green
Moderator
Factory upgrade might be the best way to go, so people who don't care won't have to pay for it, and for those to whom it's important, they can get it.
Derrick_SA
Veteran
I don't mind to pay for it if it is a factory upgrade, but why they did not include this makes no sense, and to be honest is a huge disapointment to me.
I'm not saying when everyone else jumps in the fire you should too. But, with the world being such a small place since the internet, people all over the world can colaborate work so easily.
So the existance of common tools is important. And other brands recognize this and make these tools available, eg. 50/60hz on the same camera.
Don't get me wrong I still prefer panasonic for many other reasons, but, this one feature, would have made the 170 so much better.
and as a side effect, us PAL country users still don't get access to 24p recording.
So I really hope panasonic makes this available as an factory upgrade,
Derrick
I'm not saying when everyone else jumps in the fire you should too. But, with the world being such a small place since the internet, people all over the world can colaborate work so easily.
So the existance of common tools is important. And other brands recognize this and make these tools available, eg. 50/60hz on the same camera.
Don't get me wrong I still prefer panasonic for many other reasons, but, this one feature, would have made the 170 so much better.
and as a side effect, us PAL country users still don't get access to 24p recording.
So I really hope panasonic makes this available as an factory upgrade,
Derrick
talteregor
Member
HPX170 Video Output
HPX170 Video Output
So here's a nifty thing I found at Cine Gear...You can output both HD-SDI AND Composite SD at the same time. This might not sound that important, but you can't output both HD and SD on the 200. A lot of lower budget productions have been using one HD monitor near the camera but can't afford multiples so we use SD monitors for the clients...this use to mean lighting with the HD monitor and then pulling out the HD plug to send a signal to the SD monitors...
No more, from now on (until everything is HD), we can send out multiple outputs in both definitions...Jan and I had an HD monitor with SDI running into it and then in the b channel plugged in a bnc from the composite jack. We then A/B'd the monitor and found a signal both times!
HPX170 Video Output
So here's a nifty thing I found at Cine Gear...You can output both HD-SDI AND Composite SD at the same time. This might not sound that important, but you can't output both HD and SD on the 200. A lot of lower budget productions have been using one HD monitor near the camera but can't afford multiples so we use SD monitors for the clients...this use to mean lighting with the HD monitor and then pulling out the HD plug to send a signal to the SD monitors...
No more, from now on (until everything is HD), we can send out multiple outputs in both definitions...Jan and I had an HD monitor with SDI running into it and then in the b channel plugged in a bnc from the composite jack. We then A/B'd the monitor and found a signal both times!
talteregor
Member
Now that's the one thing I'm not sure of. I don't know if you will be able to go out of HDSDI and Component at the same time for two different HD monitors, what I do know is you can get SD and HD at the same time with the SDI and composite jack...at least on the model that was at Cine Gear...
Anyone ever deal with Vidcom in Vancouver? I bought my DVX at the DVShop in Toronto (where I live) but they aren't doing anything yet for the 170. Vidcom is taking deposits and starting a waiting list. I've never dealt with them at all. I really am keen to get this camera as soon as I can and don't want to be in backorder hell.
filmguy123
Veteran
That's pretty lame about not being PAL/NTSC switchable...
and I still don't see why that change can't be made, it's mostly software based and probably a small circuitry addition...
Come on Panny... seriously.
and I still don't see why that change can't be made, it's mostly software based and probably a small circuitry addition...
Come on Panny... seriously.
puredrifting
Major Contributor
Jan responded that it is much more than just a purely technical issue making the HPX-170 dual standard. There are warranty and retail pricing issues to be dealt with as well, although Sony and others have shown that these factors can be overcome.
Dan
Dan
ecking
Veteran
Jan explained why they don't a few pages back, but I still think it's lame, it's 2008 the world is smaller, people wanna go places with their cameras.