How's the Andromeda doing?

Barry_Green said:
The problem is that they shouldn't be pitched against each other.

Instead the HVX should be andromedized!

Andromeda is an amazing invention, but it'd do far more on an HVX (native 16:9 chips... 1920x1080 at variable frame rates, etc) than it can on the DVX.
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There is another Andromeda debate going on in the cafe and Juan of reel-stream had this to say about an Andromedized HVX:

Hello,

We are already looking at the HVX for a next system. The component out is analog, it doesn't come close to uncompressed 4:4:4 at 10 or 12 bits, not to mention the possibility of added latitude.

However, even though the HVX doesn't have that many more pixels than the DVX, the fact that it can run at 60fps creates much more stringent bandwidth requirements as far as the recording media. That is, assuming we support full-bandwidth RGB(4:4:4) in 60P mode.

There are other issues as well, such as dynamic range. We expect the Andromeda DVX will still have the most dynamic range, sensitivity and lowest noise, because of the large surface area per sensor element, among other factors. The DVX has some very marked advantages, the HVX mostly brings the native 16:9 and added frame rates as unique advantages.

The one thing for sure is that any Andromeda-like system for the HVX will have a very different form factor than the curent system. We are also looking at other candidates such as the JVC HD100/200/250. The XL-H1 is not a good candidate since the sensors are interlaced.

Cheers,
Juan
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AllAroundFilmLV said:
UNLV? For film? What is that like? I heard their film dept is really small and not worth the money.
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Well, it's certainly better than none. I also think it's really small time, but I don't think I need much in terms of film school, I just need the basic training and most importantly the degree. They do have DVX's, though in limited supply compared to their stock of GL2's as I've learned today in one of my new classes. It's not a bad program, they've got the basics but don't expect a full-on workshop like you'd find at UCLA, USC, or any other big film school program.
 
Jack_Felis said:
Well, it's certainly better than none. I also think it's really small time, but I don't think I need much in terms of film school, I just need the basic training and most importantly the degree. They do have DVX's, though in limited supply compared to their stock of GL2's as I've learned today in one of my new classes. It's not a bad program, they've got the basics but don't expect a full-on workshop like you'd find at UCLA, USC, or any other big film school program.
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I was just wondering because I go to the Art Institute Las Vegas and the program is awsome. we have about a dozen DVX100's, available for on campus check out, and a dozen DVC30's for overnight and weekend checkout. Its a really good program too.
 
I don't hear all that many of them as Pirates of the Carribean 2 raked in 400 million at the box office.
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oh funny, but ask them what camera was used :grin: and i'm pretty sure one of those "pirates" viewers couldn't tell you what a best boy does :)
 
I am on the other side of Ontario Lake, and I have andromeda. There has to be some test that does not require same location though. Why don't we pick the same subject, same type of light, indoors, perhaps same angle and distance of the light shining onto the same object, we can figure out the # of watts and then it should hypothetically speaking come close.

The actual base where we place an object could be hardwood floors. So if you were to think of an analog watch, place the object where 12 o'clock is , camera at 6 and light source at 3. Turn off all other light sources and off we go.

Andromeda strenghts are really having few extra f stops, so it should be able to pick up more details in the darker areas than your typical HVX. Since it records everything in logarithmic format, the exposure can be adjusted when rendering to linerazed format.
 
novelt said:
oh funny, but ask them what camera was used :grin: and i'm pretty sure one of those "pirates" viewers couldn't tell you what a best boy does :)
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Of course most Pirates viewers couldn't tell you what a best boy does. They also probably don't know what a cinematographyer does, or an AD, and most probably don't know the difference between a director and a producer. It doesn't change that all those people are beyond important.

And no, they won't know what camera was used but they may well notice when a film is shot badly even if it's just subconious. I know more than a few people who know nothing about film production and got frustrated at Collateral for it's use of digital video pushed too far (not that I don't still think it's a great film).
 
i like what ive read about Andromeda but the price is to high for me. i was wondering if they can stick a hd device in a sd cam can they stick a 24p device in a non-24p cam to turn into a makeshift dvx?
 
You know, I talked with the UNLV film department about the Andromeda. Of course, the equipment guy had never heard of it, so I explained. After that, he seemed VERY interested but like many people have said, the price was the weak point for him. He said that the school could get another DVX for the price so there wouldn't likely be much hope for it, however, he did say that when the school goes HD within a few years from now, that may be something for the school to consider. I wonder if he would have said something entirely different had the price been $1,000 or so.

Probably not important to the discussion, but he did say that the school was looking at the HVX200's to be their future HD camera supply.

To be honest, if the DVX100-series dropped in price to about $1,000 or even $1,500, I'd definitely consider getting the Andromeda mod done, even if I'll just end up using it mostly for greenscreen work.
 
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