How to replicate this look with a DSLR?

RPLace

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http://vimeo.com/32424990

To be downright honest, this must be one of the most beautiful (and genuinely cinematic) videos I've seen in awhile, but like how it looks, it was shot on Red. Now, I'm all for believing that this type of professionalism and downright magic can be replicated on a DSLR, but how would it actually be done? Which picture profile would give you the basis for editing footage to turn out like this? How exactly would you edit that footage? The questions goes on.

Another feature of the video is that I would be hard pressed to say that anything was used lighting wise other than a couple large fills here and there (a small one is shown in one of the dance-reception tent shots), though I could be wrong about that minimal number (it's just that some of these shots, like the outdoor scenes and shots both in the antique-filled dressing room and hair salon, would be hard to light without giving it away in the mirrors and reflective surfaces...) It's my opinion that there probably was just some super-duper picture styles (on the Red, obviously "picture styles" have a billion more options... gamma curves galore, ect ect) and super-duper editing, as the skin tones, although beautiful and very pale, look as though they were originally quite red and took quite a bit of in-camera, and maybe in-post, manipluation to get right.

Same with another video shot by the same camera/person:

http://vimeo.com/33595071

Sure, maybe some of those shots are lit mechanically, others may not be, but the motorbike sequence proves without any reasonable doubt that this camera, and whoever their editor is, creates some downright superb skin tones, light equality, and coloring without absolutely any lighting at all. You just can't light an entire city during the day, and the camera and shooters were too far from the motor bike to supply any effective lighting to the actor's skin - you can even tell from the car reflections and passing motorbike riders that the entire scene had an superbly equal light distribution, picking up every detail and never blowing out any highlight. Looks like they merely shot on a semi-cloudy day with an amazing camera.

And to be honest, the downfall of many DSLR's is that because of the extreme contrast they have (or extremely flat looks if you want a normal range) ends up turning into very unprofessional footage by even very skilled editors, uncinematic skin tones, horrible light rolloff, ect ect. I just would like to know if the above two videos would have been possible with a DSLR - so far, a few productions, like Rubber and Hills Green, seem to have gotten close.
 
Most of this is NOT the camera, but rather the people involved in the entire shoot + post-processing. Both samples have very nice footage, but I don't see anything "magic" here.

Yes, cameras that shoot 8-bit 4:2:0 footage with less dynamic range are going to produce additional contrast that will have to be dealt with ( and will likely effect the finished product ), but I don't see anything here that could not be shot with DSLR cameras and a skilled team of production people. ( especially post-production, where many no-budget Indie shooters are out of their depth )
 
This really boils down to the camera (Epic or Scarlet) which shoots RAW, and is known to have a higher dynamic range and resolution than dslrs. At this point in time with the available cameras and their specs this type of footage will be basically impossible to acheive the look 100% on a dslr but you can come fairly close by seeking lighting situations that fit nicely within the dr of your camera. While dslrs (primarily stills cameras) can give you great images with care RED cameras are designed with the specific purpose of making a cinematic looking image. Something I think people tend to forget this.
 
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While it is true that one gets more for more, it is also true that great results can come with less. In the case of film film a 70mm neg is superior to a 35mm. But that has not prevented people from getting quality out of 35mm.

The point being that one does have to choose shots and techniques that work for the "small" format. In the example chip a couple of items were obvious to me. Color was much more desaturated than the typical dslr offering and camera movement was soomther. So get a stable camera and work on color in post. Sure the more expensive camera may have wider latitude ... What does that mean? In means know the cameras limits and be careful on such shots as interior to exterior, or other high contrast situatios.
 
Yeah, I didn't see anything "Magic" either, it looks like someone took the time to set up shots and frame things properly. The slower shots look to be overcraked footage, meaning you shoot at 60p and slow it down to 24, and the footage was graded decently. In the wedding video, obviously some sort of slider was used to get the slow moving shots. I think most DSLR's will do a decent job to get a look like this, but TheDingo is right, it doesn't matter so much as to what gear is used, it's having people that know how to use it, know how to edit, know how to color grade. Having the right tools and knowhow are just as important if not more important than your camera selection.

Here is a video done with a $599 Sony Nex-5N that I think creates a good cinematic feel. They used a slider to create many of the shots...


If you want high quality videos, develop a high quality technique. No camera is going to do that for you by itself.
 
Also in regards to lighting, most wedding videos use next to no lighting at all. Invest in some good, fast prime lenses and you're able to use a lot of available light. It's not always feasable for events and "run and gun" situations to have appropriate lighting, nor is it always feasable given the limited amount of time and space to set up any sort of lighting, so good lenses and knowhow in the editing room will go a long ways.
 
Tonaci Tran is a very talented DP.
He could use almost any camera and achieve great results.
I really like this
 
Yeah, I didn't see anything "Magic" either, it looks like someone took the time to set up shots and frame things properly. The slower shots look to be overcraked footage, meaning you shoot at 60p and slow it down to 24, and the footage was graded decently. In the wedding video, obviously some sort of slider was used to get the slow moving shots. I think most DSLR's will do a decent job to get a look like this, but TheDingo is right, it doesn't matter so much as to what gear is used, it's having people that know how to use it, know how to edit, know how to color grade. Having the right tools and knowhow are just as important if not more important than your camera selection.

Here is a video done with a $599 Sony Nex-5N that I think creates a good cinematic feel. They used a slider to create many of the shots...


If you want high quality videos, develop a high quality technique. No camera is going to do that for you by itself.

Footage looks amazing, truly talented person behind the lens of that camera!
 
Footage looks amazing, truly talented person behind the lens of that camera!

Yep. And if you take your time and really think about what and how you are shooting, you can achieve great results with most cameras. Too many people get so caught up in the hype of 'I need this camera or that camera to be good at film/video" and the truth is you get great results with talent, not gear. A setup to achieve this look could be very inexpensive if you know what you're doing. Hell, you could go get a Gopro camera and get nice results like this with a cheap slider if you take the time to set up yor shots and practice. You don't need a RED camera. You don't need a AF100. You don't need Zeiss primes. You need talent. And talent comes from experience, patience and not being affraid to think outside the box. Granted, are there "better" tools to use once you have the talent? Sure. But a RED is not going to make you talented. Practice, along with reading, watching and learning will.
 
OP has probably a thing for dynamic range. I'm with him. Hey, pick up a nex5n. It kinda rocks.

Funny it's a wedding video though. The amount of clients that would afford you with that camera, would be a pretty thin bunch, at least in my country... and I don't live in Africa.
 
And to be honest, the downfall of many DSLR's is that because of the extreme contrast they have (or extremely flat looks if you want a normal range) ends up turning into very unprofessional footage by even very skilled editors, uncinematic skin tones, horrible light rolloff, ect ect. I just would like to know if the above two videos would have been possible with a DSLR - so far, a few productions, like Rubber and Hills Green, seem to have gotten close.
It's all about how your scene is lit, just like many others have said. I've seen very similar results from 5Ds and 7Ds. I'm not seeing anything too crazy here. No camera is perfect and there will always be "work arounds" for them.
 
Lighting is much more important than what camera you're shooting with - with the appropriate lighting you can bypass any limitations in your camera's ability to capture contrast and dynamic range by creating your own. This is why a lot of DSLR video has crappy skin tone, blown highlights, etc. If you're shooting with available light only, you have next to zero control over your image.

When I was in college I remember being blown away by footage that was shot on 1/4" CCD handicams (the school already had a couple DVX100's at this point), and the great IQ was achieved with careful use of our school's Lowel lighting kits.
 
With the more limited DR of DSLR video, fill lighting to keep contrast ratios within the range of the camera's 8 bit codec becomes much more important. Manipulating raw footage in post to achieve the end result is much easier and there is significantly more tolerance for higher dynamic range in the scene itself. With a DSLR, or just about any low end 8 bit codec video camera, if it doesn't look and measure right in front of the camera when you shoot, there is not much room to manipulate the results in post to correct for it. Shooting very flat and adding contrast in post is what you must do. Reducing contrast significantly in post is not practical as the information is not there in the deep shadows and bright highlights to be able to retrieve it.
 
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